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mandela

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So this is where the resident CHB moron goes. When his attempt to issue a solution to Americans to fix our broken system falls apart he starts flailing at the walls, throwing shit everywhere.

Stay in Europe you dolt.
Listen, spastic.

You're on here spouting about "vertical bureaucracy" being the problem and how single payer will increase this.

You're fuckin' stupid.

Single payer removes the insurance companies, removes the account managers, removes the big pharma negotiations, removes the financial transactions. The bureaucracy is minimized significantly, but how the utter fuck like a retard like you understand that?

I lived in Europe most of my life and I've been living in America for years now. I've seen and used both systems. You don't have a fuckin' clue what you're talking about and are spouting utter nonsense.

You're the perfect useful idiot. Too stupid to realize you're a turkey voting for Christmas.

Now fuck off, fud.
 

Slick Ric

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Listen, spastic.

You're on here spouting about "vertical bureaucracy" being the problem and how single payer will increase this.

You're fuckin' stupid.

Single payer removes the insurance companies, removes the account managers, removes the big pharma negotiations, removes the financial transactions.

I lived in Europe most of my life and I've been living in America for years now. I've seen and used both systems. You don't have a fuckin' clue what you're talking about and are spouting utter nonsense.

You're the perfect useful idiot. Too stupid to realize you're a turkey voting for Christmas.

Now fuck off, fud.
It also puts the government in charge and gives them a whole new income stream to piss away while continuing to run up the debt. Bureaucracy, fraud, waste, incompetence and zero accountability. That’s how they roll.
 
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Single payer removes the insurance companies, removes the account managers, removes the big pharma negotiations, removes the financial transactions. The bureaucracy is minimized significantl
Single payer does none of this you raging baboon. Who the fuck do you think interfaces with the government and the government to the drug manufacturers and the healthcare providers? Who are these workers? Fairies who work for free?

You complete fucking idiot what's the more complicated system? 2 participants or 3? This is the easiest math in the world and yet an Ex-Eurobum can't handle it.
 

Slick Ric

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The idea that anyone believes any of these scumbag democrat politicians are going to come in and fix anything is fucking baffling. Look at San Francisco. The sidewalks are littered with homeless drug addicts passed out on the ground with needles sticking out of their arms. It’s a “sanctuary city” so they refuse to do anything about it. Chicago has more gun deaths than the war in Afghanistan despite having some of the strictest gun laws because democrats thought it would be a great idea to incentivize single motherhood. I could go on and on. Their policies are fucking retarded.
 

Joe E

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As retarded as thinking government reduces bureaucracy!
I had a gentleman solicit my support once for circuit judge. Invited him in the house and had quite a conversation with him. Political and legal philosophies and the like. Afterward I put one of his campaign signs in my front yard and have since. About 6 months later he fixed a ticket for me. Made it go away. That's the only time in my life that any bureaucrat had any direct, positive effect in my life.
 
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I had a gentleman solicit my support once for circuit judge. Invited him in the house and had quite a conversation with him. Political and legal philosophies and the like. Afterward I put one of his campaign signs in my front yard and have since. About 6 months later he fixed a ticket for me. Made it go away. That's the only time in my life that any bureaucrat had any direct, positive effect in my life.
It's the simplest math in the world. The moment any entity steps between the patient and provider their time has to be paid for and it isn't negotiable. That's the big problem that complete financial morons cannot understand. There shouldn't be ANY entity negotiating care on your behalf. Just the mere existence of it makes healthcare most costly.
 

Joe E

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It's the simplest math in the world. The moment any entity steps between the patient and provider their time has to be paid for and it isn't negotiable. That's the big problem that complete financial morons cannot understand. There shouldn't be ANY entity negotiating care on your behalf. Just the mere existence of it makes healthcare most costly.
Without doubt. Americans never saw the cost of healthcare 40 years ago and beyond when getting a Blue Cross card was standard procedure when one worked full time. What the majority didn't know is that Doctors had jumped in with both feet once they realised that there was a blackhole of monies availible treating people that were ill. By the early, mid seventies, Lawyers jumped in with both feet when they realised that there was a blackhole of monies availible in the form of lawsuits suing Doctors for malpractise. It literally became a national joke. Remember the term 'ambulance chaser' Now the answer seems to be to add even more layers of bureaucracy and create another blackhole of monies under the control of many thousands of nameless, faceless, unaccountable government administraters, and insurance and pharmacy execs. EDIT: It's almost as if this crisis of care was brought about by those 3 entities to bring the literal choices of life and death under their complete control.
 
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Without doubt. American never saw the cost of healthcare 40 years ago and beyond when getting a Blue Cross card was standard procedure when one worked full time. What the majority didn't know is that Doctors had jumped in with both feet once they realised that there was a blackhole of monies availible treating people that were ill. By the early, mid seventies, Lawyers jumped in with both feet when they realised that there was a blackhole of monies availible in the form of lawsuits suing Doctors for malpractise. It literally became a national joke. Remember the term 'ambulance chaser' Now the answer seems to be to add ten more layers of bureaucrats and create another blackhole of monies under the control of many thousands of nameless, faceless, unaccountable persons.
And Joe it goes well beyond healthcare. A good look at the SPLC in recent news shows that ambulance chasing and victim profiteering was a lucrative business in the 60s thru 90s. People who do not practice what they preach gobbling up all these apology dollars. Like Tim Wise preaching about white privilege while living in a mansion in a predominately white neighborhood. They are ALL charlatans.

What all of this shows is that if you give people especially sociopaths a reason to do something like this they will. Because we reward it. If we stopped rewarding people for this, if we stopped apologizing for being human they would promptly fuck off.
 
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Joe E

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And Joe it goes well beyond healthcare. A good look at the SPLC in recent news shows that ambulance chasing and victim profiteering was a lucrative business in the 60s thru 90s. People who do not practice what they preach gobbling up all these apology dollars. Like Tim Wise preaching about white privilege while living in a mansion in a predominately white neighborhood. They are ALL charlatans.

What all of this shows is that if you give people especially sociopaths a reason to do something like this they will. Because we reward it. If we stopped rewarding people for this, if we stopped apologizing for being human they would promptly fuck off.
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It's almost as if this crisis of care was brought about by those 3 entities to bring the literal choices of life and death under their complete control.
There is an interest at least in D.C. to close the door on liberty forever. To bring all of America under the thumb of centralized control without say. They have been watching how other countries get on and have with keen eyes desired this in America. A defenseless people who will never challenge them militarily can be controlled for eons. All the remaining wealth in the nation would be theirs and the moment our power was stripped from us their fangs would be out.

We just witnessed them attempt to impeach a duly elected president for a crime they fabricated and none of them were held accountable. Not the former cabinet. Not the FBI. Not the CIA. Not the HRC campaign. Not yet anyway. We're still waiting for that shoe to drop. This reality should worry any sane American. The fact that so many aren't worried, in fact so many want MORE government shadow ops and nameless bureaucracy is amazing.
 

Joe E

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There is an interest at least in D.C. to close the door on liberty forever. To bring all of America under the thumb of centralized control without say. They have been watching how other countries get on and have with keen eyes desired this in America. A defenseless people who will never challenge them militarily can be controlled for eons. All the remaining wealth in the nation would be theirs and the moment our power was stripped from us their fangs would be out.

We just witnessed them attempt to impeach a duly elected president for a crime they fabricated and none of them were held accountable. Not the former cabinet. Not the FBI. Not the CIA. Not the HRC campaign. Not yet anyway. We're still waiting for that shoe to drop. This reality should worry any sane American. The fact that so many aren't worried, in fact so many want MORE government shadow ops and nameless bureaucracy is amazing.
Oh, absolutely, H.S. We've given over our lives to these persons. At least a goodly number have. It's taken generations. Buy off the populous with all form of subsidy while slowly robbing them of their liberties and ability to make choices, and , as you say, some people want more. That used to be called Communism once upon a time. Now it's called Democracy. Another instance of the criminal oligarchy perverting terms and their definitions.
 
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Looks like Kamala Harris is the " chosen " one... MSM pushing hard..this cunt even made "that little girl was me" t shirts. What an absolute piece of shit, biggest fraud out of all the candidates. Hopefully the dem voters are not as stupid as they seem cause this bitch is not the least bit electable in a general.
 
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Joe E

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Looks like Kamala Harris is the " chosen " one... MSM pushing hard..this cunt even made "that little girl was me" t shirts. What an absolute piece of shit, biggest fraud out of all the candidates. Hopefully the dem voters are not as stupid as they seem...
Don't bet on that. :rolleyes
 
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The "Its all for FREE" health care systems at least in the UK and Australia are now an absolute shambles with both doctors and patients exploiting the system to the brink of collapse

When I first went back to Australia after 23 years away - I was shocked at the amount of people that had private health care insurance too - so basically you pay twice - once via your taxes for the "FREE" system and again to actually get decent healthcare
 
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Joe E

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The "Its all for FREE" health care systems at least in the UK and Australia are now an absolute shambles with both doctors and patients exploiting the system to the brink of collapse

When I first went back to Australia after 23 years away - I was shocked at the amount of people that had private health care insurance too - so basically you pay twice - once via your taxes for the "FREE" system and again to actually get decent healthcare
Doctors, nurses, and the like dove in which both feet, eh, Al? Question. Are Ozzie citizens able to sue Doctors, who essentialy work for the state, for malpractise?
 

mandela

CHB Führer
May 16, 2013
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The "Its all for FREE" health care systems at least in the UK and Australia are now an absolute shambles with both doctors and patients exploiting the system to the brink of collapse

When I first went back to Australia after 23 years away - I was shocked at the amount of people that had private health care insurance too - so basically you pay twice - once via your taxes for the "FREE" system and again to actually get decent healthcare
This is just such absolute bullshit, man.

Are you seriously suggesting that the Australian and so called UKs healthcare is worse than the US?

We both know that's simply not true. The US system is also BY FAR the most expensive in the world yet it is nowhere near the top, never mind the best.

This is the issue with American politics. They focus on finding the faults in other systems to justify the status quo. NO ONE is suggesting other systems are perfect but surely the measure should be "is it better than the US at a fraction of the cost ?" and the answer is, demonstrably, yes.