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No.

Either explain to me how you came to the conclusion that he admitted he was a communist in that video, or shut the fuck up. What minute, what second of the video?

He is a socialist politician. He seemed more socialist back then, if only ever so slightly. Even still, his philosophy from a moral standpoint is better than just about any other prominent US politician and I believe if given the chance and support then a lot of the change could be implemented for the better.

He worked before age 40. Stop hanging your hat on this lie in a desperate effort to score internet debate points ffs.
Go to the part of the vid where Phil asks him if he's a capitalist and then watch from there.

You say he worked before he was 40. What did he do from 18 til 40? Hammer a few nails? The guy lived like a bum and couldn't stick with any job given to him. He got to 40 and worked out the only way he could live life a s a lazy cunt would be a job in government. How many Bills did he kick off and get passed over the last 30 years? He's as lazy as he is inept.

Maybe he should live according to his philosophy. Why does he need three houses? Is it moral for a socialist to own three houses when there are homeless people on the streets? Why did he need to profit a million dollars from the sales of his books?
 
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College is clearly too expensive.

Just like the price of drugs in America.

Simply, neither are anywhere near as expensive anywhere else in the world. Why has this been allowed to happen in the USA?

That's where all of this reform will start.
A ton of it is making up for bloated administrative costs/expenses. I've looked at a number of higher education financial statements. I've had a few conversations with them and it seems some of it is them hiring every person they think is smart or useful, and there's really no place or use for them. Those costs balloon, along with faculties all telling them how indispensable they are.

Everyone involved ends with the agreement that the difference will just come from increased tuition costs. I was amazed when I was shown just how fast this runaway effect happens, and how they chase the market up instead of going lean.
 

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A ton of it is making up for bloated administrative costs/expenses. I've looked at a number of higher education financial statements. I've had a few conversations with them and it seems some of it is them hiring every person they think is smart or useful, and there's really no place or use for them. Those costs balloon, along with faculties all telling them how indispensable they are.

Everyone involved ends with the agreement that the difference will just come from increased tuition costs. I was amazed when I was shown just how fast this runaway effect happens, and how they chase the market up instead of going lean.
They do that simply because they can, man. Education is seen almost as mandatory. That's the deliberately ingrained culture in America. You HAVE to go to college regardless of cost. Same with healthcare. That's why the capitalist model doesn't work in certain 'public' sectors.

Again, simply put, Universities across the world are offering the same product as american colleges for a fraction of the cost.

Big pharmas are selling exactly the same drugs in other countries for a fraction of the cost.

The system in america is fundamentally broken, enabling these organizations to operate this way and most(?) of the American people either accept it, refuse to believe there's a different/better way and in some cases actually celebrate it, ffs.
 
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Go to the part of the vid where Phil asks him if he's a capitalist and then watch from there.
So the part when he says he is not a capitalist, not a corporate capitalist for sure.

So therefore a communist?

So, you zeroed in on that relatively reasonable response, but ignored his criticism of USSR as a totalitarian communist state?

So to summarise. Nowhere does he admit to being a communist, and certainly not the type of USSR/Cuba loving totalitarian communist you are saying. Nowhere.
 
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They do that simply because they can, man. Education is seen almost as mandatory. That's the deliberately ingrained culture in America. You HAVE to go to college regardless of cost. Same with healthcare. That's why the capitalist model doesn't work in certain 'public' sectors.

Again, simply put, Universities across the world are offering the same product as american colleges for a fraction of the cost.

Big pharmas are selling exactly the same drugs in other countries for a fraction of the cost.

The system in america is fundamentally broken, enabling these organizations to operate this way and most(?) of the American people either accept it, refuse to believe there's a different/better way and in some cases actually celebrate it, ffs.
It's broken, but I'm not sure it is as simple as the presence of the profit motive being involved. I think we need to fundamentally kill the idea that college is all that necessary outside of specific situations.

Can we fix it without doing that, sure. BUT I think that thinking about things correctly is always the better first step.
 

mandela

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It's broken, but I'm not sure it is as simple as the presence of the profit motive being involved. I think we need to fundamentally kill the idea that college is all that necessary outside of specific situations.

Can we fix it without doing that, sure. BUT I think that thinking about things correctly is always the better first step.
Aye, for sure.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that is what's required first in a significant list. This mindset change from School to college is standard. It doesn't need to be, at all. Then when demand is lessened they can start addressing the costs and structures and go from there.

None of this is quick fix type stuff, man. Talking generational type stuff here.
 
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Aye, for sure.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that is what's required first in a significant list. This mindset change from School to college is standard. It doesn't need to be, at all. Then when demand is lessened they can start addressing the costs and structures and go from there.

None of this is quick fix type stuff, man. Talking generational type stuff here.
We agree. The conversation has to shift away from where it is. Focusing the conversation on how to increase college admissions while decreasing tuition is a race off a cliff. Unfortunately, the moment you mention trade schools people start taking offense. It is a long road back to a rational conversation.
 
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So the part when he says he is not a capitalist, not a corporate capitalist for sure.

So therefore a communist?

So, you zeroed in on that relatively reasonable response, but ignored his criticism of USSR as a totalitarian communist state?

So to summarise. Nowhere does he admit to being a communist, and certainly not the type of USSR/Cuba loving totalitarian communist you are saying. Nowhere.
And then what does he say?
 
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We agree. The conversation has to shift away from where it is. Focusing the conversation on how to increase college admissions while decreasing tuition is a race off a cliff. Unfortunately, the moment you mention trade schools people start taking offense. It is a long road back to a rational conversation.
I don't take offense, but I do think the trade school argument isn't a great one. I've worked in the trades. It fucking sucked. I'd rather suck start a shotgun than go back to it. It's just not at all compatible with my personality or interests. More than that, what happens if we pivot that way? We have way more electricians/plumbers/welders and not enough jobs for them, with the surplus of tradesmen driving down the wages? We end up back where we started.
 
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I don't take offense, but I do think the trade school argument isn't a great one. I've worked in the trades. It fucking sucked. I'd rather suck start a shotgun than go back to it. It's just not at all compatible with my personality or interests. More than that, what happens if we pivot that way? We have way more electricians/plumbers/welders and not enough jobs for them, with the surplus of tradesmen driving down the wages? We end up back where we started.
Trade and tech schools teach a lot more than those things. Designers, programmers, technicians. Craftsmen of all types. We need to stop telling people they need college to learn...most jobs.
 
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Make your point or don't.

Quote exactly the part you think he confesses to being a communist. I heard nothing wrong with what he said, so either quote it, or shut the fuck up.
I've already made my point. He's a commie and admits to it. Why are you playing games?
 

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The stupid needs to be contained. These half dozen idiot cunts need to be confined to their own subforum that they can babble as much inane shit as they want, and groom each other and throw handfuls of their own shit around while the rest of us come and go as we please. Like a zoo.

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Slappy's been contained. You're next. We'll use the same tactics. You'll do it to yourself. You were leaving anyway, amitite?
 
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