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And by Journeyman I mean established like Willie Warburton or Jonny Greaves and not some guy from Latvia whose 0-6 with 6 stoppage defeats.
Do you reckon you could beat a Journeyman in a boxing match?
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Definetly not and I very much doubt if many on here could, other than those who have competed a decent level.
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Maybe 25 years ago..might have squeezed out a 4rd decision.Definitely not now...Mind you 25 years ago journeymen where of a higher quality back then.
Good boxers who figured they could squeak out a nice annual income by fighting regularly on the journeyman circuit...So the answer has to be no.
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a trained fighter is a trained fighter, no matter how low down the totem pole...
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The misconception amongst boxing fans is they don't realise guys like Kristin Laight with over 100 loses probably could of won 40 percent of those fights if he wanted to.
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I've seen 'journeymen' in the gym and they are fucking insanely good.
Anybody who thinks they can walk off the street and beat them are clueless.
Anybody who thinks they can walk off the street and beat them are clueless.
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Sparred a few lads who were up and coming lads at the time who turned pro, and a few who boxed at local shows, non of them were particularly pleasant experiences for me.
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A bit as an amateur never took it seriously was more into kickboxing....Back in the late 80's early 90's in the innercity you had more street cred if you trained at a kick boxing gym.
The thing is I trained at Frank O Sullivans gym (The above video is of him) ...Legendary Amateur coach in the U.K. first started coaching in 1956...Robert Mccracken, and the likes of the Yafai brothers all came out of the gym.
Frank really nice guy and goldmine of boxing knowledge, thing is I never realised that he was a legend in the amateur game until years later...like Mccraken he was also a National Amateur coach.
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Most of them just go the rounds ...and try to prevent an injury or a cut occurring that might keep them out of the ring for a while. And prevent them earning the next paycheck...If you start regularly beating up and coming prospects you are less likely to get hired by the promoter in the future. Trick is to just do some spoiling help the promoters guy get a few rounds and experience in.
Agree alot of them if they had proper backing and sponsorship when they first started out could get to atleast British title level.
Some of them get to British title level and then just gravitate towards journeyman status just to earn a regular income.
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Yes the 28 day suspension for a stoppage as well.
Being a pro without backing is a thankless task up to a certain level,most fighters can do a decent amount of tickets on debut but the novelty soon wears off for many coming to watch you.People promise to come along pull out at the last minute and I know an established pro that would pay out of his own pocket when this happened and he did this several times because had to sell a certain amount of tickets to get on a show.
Once basically fought for almost nothing.
It becomes a pain and unless you are firmly on the left hand side of the bill some think may as well earn a couple of months rent/mortgage to go in for a move around,but don't think for a second that the better journeymen can't fight they can and their records often don't tell the full story.
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One of me brothers mates dad did that mate. He won his first 10 or 11 but realised he wasn't gonna be a world champion and wasn't going to make much doe if he just got to British level.
Ended up going on the road and boxing Darren Barker and some good fighters who he probably wouldn't of shared a ring with otherwise.
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I was at a York Hall show one night, years and on the undercard were two proper journeymen matched against each other. In this fight though they weren't fighting as journeymen, they were fighting as two very skilled boxers, and they put on a cracking show.
Seeing a true journeyman giving tasty prospects a few rounds is not an accurate reflection of what they can do.
Seeing a true journeyman giving tasty prospects a few rounds is not an accurate reflection of what they can do.
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Most journeymen would just make us lot gas and then finish us. Boxing is a lot more tiring than a street fight.
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One of the local lads here in the midlands Howard Clarke fought Fernando Vargas for the world title.
He was 26-10-2 when he got his surprise title shot...He then decided to become a fulltime journeyman won only one fight after that a win over Ross Minter. He finished with a record of 27-79-2 draws.
Had to retire because tragically he got early onset dementia. Being a journeyman can be a hazardous to the health unless he is a very good spoiler and knows how to avoid to many shots to the head.