Do you reckon you could beat a Journeyman in a boxing match?

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As others have said, there's a massive difference between boxing and regular street fighting. It's like that Michael Caine line in Get Carter - something like, 'you're a big bloke, but you're out of shape, I'm a professional, now behave yourself'. It's along those lines, anyway. Until ten years ago I was in law enforcement, had to have weekly self defence classes, monthly medical, we were out on surveillance and arresting people pretty regularly. We had quite a few hairy moments - guy in a warehouse outside Blackburn came at me once with a metal pole, properly meant to take my head off, that was one that sticks out - but it was always against guys whose main job wasn't the fighting, we were just catching them at something else then sometimes they'd make a debate of it. I'm a big enough guy in decent shape with that experience over several years and I was good at the job, but I would not see out the first round if I got in with a boxer. It's not just the speed and the fact that we civilians aren't used to being hit that hard, it's also controlling the space, understanding what's around you. If a nutter rushes at you in real life, you leap out of the way, in whatever direction instinct sends you. Try that in a ring and you'll either bounce off the ropes and embarrass yourself in a crumpled heap or be clattered by the timed followup. Everyone I ever fought was both desperate and an amateur, and I had to train to make sure I came out on the right side of those encounters. Against a not-desperate, experienced, fighting-focussed professional? No thanks!
 

Dazl1212

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I reckon I might give this guy a god fight.

The black lad that is.

 

Dazl1212

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I know his coach needs to have his license taking away. Putting someone through all that for his ten percent
Agreed 100% I think the other lad eased up on him a bit when he realised he didnt have a clue what he was doing.

Guy could have been seriously hurt.
 
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REDC

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I barely survived a 12 round sparring session against a European level pro with a 25-3 record over whom I had a 10kg weight advantage. Against any tough sob who's my own weight in a real fight? No way.
 
It's amazing that so many casuals think they'd do ok against boxers with poor records. It doesn't happen in any other sport.....no one who's never played golf thinks they could beat a low grade golf pro, not even keen amateur cyclists believe they could beat a poor climber like Mark Cavendish up a mountain, ditto tennis, ditto every other sport.....apart from boxing!
 
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It's amazing that so many casuals think they'd do ok against boxers with poor records. It doesn't happen in any other sport.....no one who's never played golf thinks they could beat a low grade golf pro, not even keen amateur cyclists believe they could beat a poor climber like Mark Cavendish up a mountain, ditto tennis, ditto every other sport.....apart from boxing!
Because boxing is a natural instinct sport, some people can naturally box and punch you dont have to train and spar much for some people to pick it up (Wilder and Joshua are good examples, ive seen so many steet fights where people have legit boxing technique you'd think they do it for a living

Remember this is the internet full of fat fucks but not everyone is out of shape, tbh id never watch the sport if I knew I couldnt box or one punch KO anyone I hit relatively clean
 

REDC

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You make that sound like it's something you should be embarrassed about mate.
Well kinda. He was like 3 inches shorter than me and had a 12 month lay off - he wasn't in his best shape (although neither was I tbh).
We sparred again like 2 years later when he was in tip top shape. Knocked me TFO with a left hook to the body in the 1st round.
 
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Well kinda. He was like 3 inches shorter than me and had a 12 month lay off - he wasn't in his best shape (although neither was I tbh).
We sparred again like 2 years later when he was in tip top shape. Knocked me TFO with a left hook to the body in the 1st round.
And so he he should if he is a established pro and you are....
 
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I’ve often thought about this, I had a few white collar bouts (not the charity kind just non amateur as I was based out of a kickboxing gym) but always thought what would it take to go pro and win a fight?

I’d need more 1 on 1 coaching and a full year skills work to win a four rounder against any decent journeyman I reckon. My skill level is nowhere near theirs if they’ve come to win at present. They’re completely underrated to be honest and a lot of them have potential to be at least area champs if on,y they were ticket sellers.

So my answer is man off the street needs a few years in a boxing gym to have a chance unless he’s a natural talent. There’s a few guys out there who’ve had little amateur experience and gone through levels quite quick. Gorman and wardleynspring yo mind as having about 10 amateur fights and going pro.

I’d have gone at best 5-5 as an amateur I reckon and it’d have been a tough slog pro from day dot from there
 
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Well, there was someone back at ESB who claimed he could beat David Tua, so obviously he would've owned any journeyman he met as well.
 
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Id fancy myself to beat that guy Kevin Mitchell once boxed, the one with questionable motor skills who literally shouldn’t have been in there with him, but that’s about it.
Mikhail Avakyan? Think he was about 21 or 22 when he boxed Mitchell, he boxed Richard Commey, Kiryl Relihk, Petr Petrov, Michele Di Rocco, Vitali Tajbert, Sandor Martin, Robbie Davies Jr, Lewis Ritson, lost a split to Chris Goodwin, went the distance with Lenny Daws, Darren Hamilton, Lewis b*nson. He even fought Mike Arnaoutis who had wars with the likes of Victor Ortiz in 09 and Juan Urango which went to a draw back in 04

What could any of us show him that he hasn't already seen, and he's only 27
 
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emallini

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Sokolowski? What gym does he attend?