Does Anybody Actually Favor Wilder vs. AJ?

JeffJoiner

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To me, Deontay Wilder is a very flawed fighter who makes amateurish mistakes that have not been fixed. His hands are way too far away from his chin to be of any use on defense, he routinely sets his feet too wide, and he throws wide, looping punches.

He's gotten away with these mistakes, IMO, largely due to his lack of opposition. Luis Ortiz was hardly in top form and able to exploit the hand placement repeatedly.

I just see AJ as not only the better athlete, the bigger, stronger guy, but also the drastically better ring technician. I don't think this will be much of a fight.

You?
 
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Yes Joshua is more skilled than Wilder, but so was Ortiz. Wilder has been down on the scorecards in multiple fights, but he's knocked out every man he's faced.

Joshua is too static and basic. This fight comes down to who strikes first. Wilder's speed, reach, unpredictability and killer instinct will ensure that's him.
 
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Yes Joshua is more skilled than Wilder, but so was Ortiz. Wilder has been down on the scorecards in multiple fights, but he's knocked out every man he's faced.

Joshua is too static and basic. This fight comes down to who strikes first. Wilder's speed, reach, unpredictability and killer instinct will ensure that's him.
Timing beats speed and AJ has the MUCH better timing, Wilder just throws wildly and hopes 1 will land. Against Washington he barely threw a punch in the first 3 or 4 rounds, AJ will just stalk him for a couple of rounds and when he's ready Wilder will be flat on his back.
 

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Timing beats speed and AJ has the MUCH better timing, Wilder just throws wildly and hopes 1 will land. Against Washington he barely threw a punch in the first 3 or 4 rounds, AJ will just stalk him for a couple of rounds and when he's ready Wilder will be flat on his back.
Ortiz has better timing than Joshua
 

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He is also in his 40's and lost his reflexes, and doesn't have much power.
Let's not also ignore how hesitant and befuddled Joshua looked vs Parker's movement. We'll see something similar to that with more return fire
 

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Timing beats speed and AJ has the MUCH better timing, Wilder just throws wildly and hopes 1 will land. Against Washington he barely threw a punch in the first 3 or 4 rounds, AJ will just stalk him for a couple of rounds and when he's ready Wilder will be flat on his back.
This is how I see it. AJ with a straight jab going through the wide guard of Wilder which will both score and keep Wilder from throwing his own shots. AJ will start to mix in some hooks around Wilder's hands, which are always a foot or more in front on his face, and he'll land them, just like Ortiz did, but AJ will actually finish the job.
 
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Aj has some true weakness

Here is how I see them
- his willpower is flexible (his morale can sway with the "look" of the fight) if things start to look bad after a scary miss, it could have an impact
- his tendencies are obvious, predictable, and he might be slow to adapt (this can further impact morale if something matches up bad compared to what he trained)
- he doesn't yet have the mindset of a true mastermind boxer, he looks for cheaper solutions than he really should, for example, he tried to repeat the move that ko'd vlad in the parker fight, he is persistent on his inside uppercuts due to a feeling it could catch the opponent of guard
- he is a bit sluggish, cuz how he loads his power doesn't quite come from his feet the right way, he does a twist of his abdomen
- he can run low on stamina when he uses his A game

Thing is though...
Wilder won't necessarily be able to take advantage like he has previously
Because even though AJs willpower is flexible, it is far more potent and dominant than Wilder will expect, far stronger than any previous opponent, shaking that might not only be hard, it might actually rebound back and hit wilder where it hurts. The game could be over if wilder tries and FAILS to dominate. Then AJ will follow him, and, boy oh boy, having bad defense versus AJ is not a good idea at all. Like at all. Maybe he can escape with his feet though, slip away, exhaust AJ then come back in the final rounds or tenth round etc.

Also, AJ might not be a mastermind, but he is clever and determined, and I expect he is preparing like a madman mentally for this fight in secret.
Ultimately, I feel it will be an explosion of wilders talent to move vs AJs immovability



Way I see wilder winning, is a stiff arm, where he swings around AJ while holding him, to circle around in close
Way I see AJ winning, is putting wilder off balance and having him falling over, then cracking him in the body to make wilder wince, then swatting down any attempt to "cling or save himself" that wilder does and ruthlessly "put him down"

Way I see it drawing is AJ not being ruthless and wilder slinking out
Or AJ getting clipped n rocked, and then wilder the same, but neither go down by the time its over
And then everyone is like AWWWWWWW CMON!!!!!

Fact is, guys with AJs disposition arent always the best finishers and closers when a guy is trying to scuttle away like a crab
They are better at finishing guys who are wobbling but have no legs

Call me crazy but, I think Wilders legs will stay with him, for a freakish amount of time
Like normally a guy should lose his legs, but something is different in his makeup that somehow tells me his legs will not fail him
And THAT is troublesome

If I was AJs coach, I'd be working on making AJ ruthless, utterly impossible to cling to or swing around "give him nothing, take away everything"
Id focus on those finishes, make sure the fight ENDS
Work on a plan to get wilder into the fight consistently wrong footed
So implementing a step or a shuffle, or a pivot or combination of them


Ha I sure hope AJs team dont slack on this one, cuz the quality of the fight is ALL UP TO AJ
 
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