Does Eminem Still "Have It"?

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Problem is that there are very little mainstream artists that could really compete with Eminem in a battle.. not only lyrically but they also don't have that underground battle rap experience either...

I will say this though... Cage back in the day challenged EM hard and even dropped two diss tracks on him.. Even went as far to claim EM stole his style.. and too be honest.. Cage was the original crazy drugged out white boy rapper... If you listen to Em you would know he never had that same style until Slim Shady EP. Em did not go head to head with Cage and instead only said a few subliminal disses one in role model and the other in a stretch Armstrong freestyle. So all in all EM can't legitimately make the claim that no one on his level has ever tested him cause the one guy who did Em did not really want much to do with it.
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Another thing too is that Eminem, when he was in his prime never had a real feud with a high level rapper. It wasn't like Nas who had Jay-Z or LL Cool J with Kool Moe Dee. It just never happened.
My last real job when I was basically working as staff/muscle out at a drug and alcohol/ behavioral camp I played "Today was a good day" by Cube for the kids out there. Kids all really liked and were really impressed by the video..
I realized that most of the rap these kids listen to have videos done with a handheld Iphone and some free software.
 
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Top 5 all time?
  1. Rakim (Changed the whole game, his level of lyricism was never seen before)
  2. Big L (Started the whole battle rap style to the highest level)
  3. Prime Eminem (Groundbreaking at the time, had the sales and fame to back it up)
  4. Big Pun (Greatest Latin rapper of all time, Flow and Multi Syllable rhymes unmatched)
  5. GZA (Greatest Imagery of any lyricist in the game)
 
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Top 5 all time?
Ask me tomorrow. My top...whatever depends on the day.

Some days he's top 3 for me. Others he's in the lower but of the top 10. His first 3 mainstream albums are as high a peak as a rapper will ever get. The Eminem Show has funny tracks that are as well written as top tracks by most rappers ever. If you dont believe me. Go listen to Drips with Obie Trice. Brilliant lyricism if ridiculous
 
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I agree with @aliwasthegreatest regarding Kamikaze, I enjoyed it, much better of course than fucking Revival, but it didn't have the same replay value as others, but still a good effort from him IMO.

Music to be Murdered to still has been enjoyable for me so far. But like you said, it's pretty easy for Em when there's little competition.
 
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Problem is that there are very little mainstream artists that could really compete with Eminem in a battle.. not only lyrically but they also don't have that underground battle rap experience either...

I will say this though... Cage back in the day challenged EM hard and even dropped two diss tracks on him.. Even went as far to claim EM stole his style.. and too be honest.. Cage was the original crazy drugged out white boy rapper... If you listen to Em you would know he never had that same style until Slim Shady EP. Em did not go head to head with Cage and instead only said a few subliminal disses one in role model and the other in a stretch Armstrong freestyle. So all in all EM can't legitimately make the claim that no one on his level has ever tested him cause the one guy who did Em did not really want much to do with it.
I know same with Canopus I guess...but as a huge fan of Canibus and Cage...they both lacked that next gear that Em had at the time. Game tried going at everyone, and openly admitted he made sure to leave Em out of it because of what would happen to him.
 
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I agree with @aliwasthegreatest regarding Kamikaze, I enjoyed it, much better of course than fucking Revival, but it didn't have the same replay value as others, but still a good effort from him IMO.

Music to be Murdered to still has been enjoyable for me so far. But like you said, it's pretty easy for Em when there's little competition.
I tried with Music to be Murdered. It was ok. I really didn't get it. But I've got to accept that all of my favorite rappers are so far past it that they'll never drop another album on their top level again. There's an energy and hunger required for hip hop that is unique to the genre.
 
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I tried with Music to be Murdered. It was ok. I really didn't get it. But I've got to accept that all of my favorite rappers are so far past it that they'll never drop another album on their top level again. There's an energy and hungry required for hip hop that is unique to the genre.
There's probably only 3 or 4 songs I still play from it, but yeah that's how I see it, I know his prime days are way behind him, but at least he's still putting out a few nice ones instead of all the tracks being complete Turkeys.
 
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There's probably only 3 or 4 songs I still play from it, but yeah that's how I see it, I know his prime days are way behind him, but at least he's still putting out a few nice ones instead of all the tracks being complete Turkeys.
Even guys like Lupe have passed any hope of reaching back to their beat. It is to be expected
 
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I tried with Music to be Murdered. It was ok. I really didn't get it. But I've got to accept that all of my favorite rappers are so far past it that they'll never drop another album on their top level again. There's an energy and hungry required for hip hop that is unique to the genre.
Regarding Game, I remember most people loving his 300 bars (I thought it was ok) when it first dropped, but even the dudes I knew that were fully on the train for him, all seemed to find the never-ending feud he had with G-Unit and whoever came afterwards, just real stale. It didn't take long and I remember less than a year after 300 bars, everyone seemed to be like "Fuckin hell Game, give it up, who cares?"
 
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I think Laser was the last album of his I listened to. It seemed pretty good then, it's been a while though since I've listened to it. The Cool still gets a play every now and then from me.
The Cool has some of the best written verses ever in Hip Hop. Lupe at his peak is probably my favorite rapper ever. Some years ago he did an album called Tetsuo and Youth that was pretty good. Definitely worth a listen
 
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Regarding Game, I remember most people loving his 300 bars (I thought it was ok) when it first dropped, but even the dudes I knew that were fully on the train for him, all seemed to find the never-ending feud he had with G-Unit and whoever came afterwards, just real stale. It didn't take long and I remember less than a year after 300 bars, everyone seemed to be like "Fuckin hell Game, give it up, who cares?"
Game was pathetic in his complete inability to discover his own voice. His gimmick of doing the other person's style on collabs was neat for a little while, but he never really seemed to know what his voice really was.
 
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I know same with Canopus I guess...but as a huge fan of Canibus and Cage...they both lacked that next gear that Em had at the time. Game tried going at everyone, and openly admitted he made sure to leave Em out of it because of what would happen to him.
Shit, I forgot about the whole Canibus beef..... Em at least dropped a diss track to him...I was never really impressed with it.

What is funny is that Cage pretty much ended up like Eminem on a much smaller scale. Guy was an absolute maniac on every drug under the sun who was dope as fuck... Cage gets off the drugs and basically goes EMO and pretty much became impossible to listen to.

Talk about a transformation.... Not for the better when it comes to a hip hop standpoint.





Movies for the Blind was an Underground classic, basically Cages "Slim Shady LP"... Sadly we would never see this version of him again...

 
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Game was pathetic in his complete inability to discover his own voice. His gimmick of doing the other person's style on collabs was neat for a little while, but he never really seemed to know what his voice really was.
Game was a joke... Fake person too.

His whole beef with 50 Cent back in the day was laughable... From the G-Unot tattoo all the way down to his endles mixtapes of 300 bars and running, 500 bars and runing, 2000 bars and running with nothing more than average lyrics and weak disses.... Funny how he had to release these endless tired disses when Jada pretty much butchered 50 with one track only.
 
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Ask me tomorrow. My top...whatever depends on the day.

Some days he's top 3 for me. Others he's in the lower but of the top 10. His first 3 mainstream albums are as high a peak as a rapper will ever get. The Eminem Show has funny tracks that are as well written as top tracks by most rappers ever. If you dont believe me. Go listen to Drips with Obie Trice. Brilliant lyricism if ridiculous
No, I mean, who is your top 5 all time?
 
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  1. Rakim (Changed the whole game, his level of lyricism was never seen before)
  2. Big L (Started the whole battle rap style to the highest level)
  3. Prime Eminem (Groundbreaking at the time, had the sales and fame to back it up)
  4. Big Pun (Greatest Latin rapper of all time, Flow and Multi Syllable rhymes unmatched)
  5. GZA (Greatest Imagery of any lyricist in the game)
Rakim and Eminem are in my top 5 also, cool

Gza is right around top 10 for me
 
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Game was a joke... Fake person too.

His whole beef with 50 Cent back in the day was laughable... From the G-Unot tattoo all the way down to his endles mixtapes of 300 bars and running, 500 bars and runing, 2000 bars and running with nothing more than average lyrics and weak disses.... Funny how he had to release these endless tired disses when Jada pretty much butchered 50 with one track only.
I didn't think Game was a joke but I always thought he was overrated too, pretty much an ok to decent rapper imo
 
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I didn't think Game was a joke but I always thought he was overrated too, pretty much an ok to decent rapper imo
I kind of feel that is how most of the rappers were in the 00's when it came to the mainstream... not bad but mostly average, obviously a lot better than the ones today at least.... On the other hand When it comes to the Underground the 00's was the Golden Age.... Reef the Lost Cause, Jedi Mind Tricks, Aesop Rock, Immortal Technique, Diabolic, Slug and Eyedea, C Rayz Walz, AOTP, Demigodz, Whetherman, Brother Ali, Mr. Lif, Dilated Peoples,....I could go on and on.
 
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