Donald Trump's post presidential legal challenges. Will Trump pardon himself?

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For the reasons I stated above (post #15), I think not.

I also believe that the GOP will modify their primary process to make it more similar to the Democratic party's primaries.

Trump could not have secured the nomination in 2016 had it not been for winner-take-all primaries.

At 78, and given how he will be viewed four years hence, I wouldn't give him much chance of even being a candidate, and even less chance of being a GOP candidate.


He might not even be at large.

Or alive.
Trump has the most dedicated base of any politician in America.

You might think that I'm crazy for saying this, but I believe he's more powerful than the Republican party.

When he said a few years ago that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and he supporters will still vote for him, I thought he was being braggadocious but after the past 4 years, I've come realize that statement as fact.

I don't know what it is but guy has a Messiach aura with his supporters.

 

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Trump has the most dedicated base of any politician in America.

You might think that I'm crazy for saying this, but I believe he's more powerful than the Republican party.

When he said a few years ago that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and he supporters will still vote for him, I thought he was being braggadocious but after the past 4 years, I've come realize that statement as fact.

I don't know what it is but guy has a Messiach aura with his supporters.

Yes, I know.

But I have a feeling that's going to wane considerably once he's out of office and more exposed.

If I'm wrong, America is going to need another civil war to slap down and cull it's populist facista. :smile
 
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Yes, I know.

But I have a feeling that's going to wane considerably once he's out of office and more exposed.

If I'm wrong, America is going to need another civil war to slap down and cull it's populist facista. :smile
I would hope so, America historically, isn't kind to sore losers.


And to end up a one-termer seems to be one of the biggest proverbial (am I using that word correctly here?) Loss one can take in American culture.
 
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Yes mentally. Did you watch the dueling town Halls? The debates?

Any of their other engagements?
The difference is, Biden had no other obligation but to focus on the debate, while Trump's attention was divided between running the country and planning for the debate.
Trump is quick witted and aware, Biden often looks dull and confused.
Why do you think his wife is always between his ears to make sure he doesn't make any public mishaps.

The elections are over. No need for us to pretend something is what it is when it's not just to score some argument points.

Look, I'm glad Trump is gone, but we must acknowledge the obvious, Biden is not mental astute as he once was.
At 78 years old, that's not abnormal, it's a natural aging process that everyone of us will one day go through.
 
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The difference is, Biden had no other obligation but to focus on the debate, while Trump's attention was divided between running the country and planning for the debate.
Trump is quick witted and aware, Biden often looks dull and confused.
Why do you think his wife is always between his ears to make sure he doesn't make any public mishaps.

The elections are over. No need for us to pretend something is what it is when it's not just to score some argument points.

Look, I'm glad Trump is gone, but we must acknowledge the obvious, Biden is not mental astute as he once was.
At 78 years old, that's not abnormal, it's a natural aging process that everyone of us will one day go through.
Yeah Trump was really immersed in running the country...:lol:

But to address your overarching critique...

I don't think Biden is an especially brilliant guy. I think he is functionally brighter then your average person, which most presidents have been...and he has a ton of experience so he can actually be decently wonky realitve to some but he is definitely no Mayor Pete or Yang in raw brain power...even at his best he wasn't. But out of the last say six presidents he's probably in between the top 3 and the bottom 3. I'd say he is definitely below Obama, Clinton, and Bush Sr. but I think he is probably above Bush jr. and Reagan....maybe..and definitely above Trump in most ways. Although I do think Biden mostly has very strong social intelligence.

The evidence that Trump literally has a difficult time reading is legion. He can't pronunce basic words ("Thigh land").

Of course Biden has his issues as well and I supsect that Biden has declined some from where he was in say 2008.

But if you look at interviews of Trump he has declined as well from 2016 and definitely from the 90s.

And again at his best there is no reason to think Trump was ever intellectually brilliant. He has definitely had some strengths but he has definitely shown weakness.

Finally I highly doubt if Biden will run in 2024. So if Trump runs it will be a Trump who has declined more against someone like Harris or one of the other young guard.

Trump literally has hardening of the arteries, do yourself a favor and look into the effect that has on cognition over time.

Finally not to be a dick here but quite honestly you admit that you barely pay attention to any of this so why the fuck should your opinion matter one bit? No offense.

Trump literally mused that maybe doctors should look into injecting bleach to cure covid for fucks sake.
 
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Let me just clear up why your comment that Trump was busy running the country was so laughable @attaboi .

He has hardly attended any of his security briefings or coronavirus meetings for months at the time of the debate.
 
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Let me just clear up why your comment that Trump was busy running the country was so laughable @attaboi .

He has hardly attended any of his security briefings or coronavirus meetings for months at the time of the debate.
Man, you just love you some Joe Biden.
Nothing I say will convince otherwise
The next 4 years is going to be comedy overload with Biden on the world stage, just wait and see.
 

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Man, you just love you some Joe Biden.
Nothing I say will convince otherwise
The next 4 years is going to be comedy overload with Biden on the world stage, just wait and see.
I'm not even saying Biden is brilliant in any way.
He has said thing that would make one wonder.

But nothing has compared to a whole list of things Trump has said.
 
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Man, you just love you some Joe Biden.
Nothing I say will convince otherwise
The next 4 years is going to be comedy overload with Biden on the world stage, just wait and see.
Yeah, @Johnstown is a Biden stan. He jokes around when he gives some of that hyperbolic praise of Biden but it's really only half jokingly which means that he's basically a stan.

Isn't that right, @Johnstown ?
 

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Yeah Trump was really immersed in running the country...:lol:

But to address your overarching critique...

I don't think Biden is an especially brilliant guy. I think he is functionally brighter then your average person, which most presidents have been...and he has a ton of experience so he can actually be decently wonky realitve to some but he is definitely no Mayor Pete or Yang in raw brain power...even at his best he wasn't. But out of the last say six presidents he's probably in between the top 3 and the bottom 3. I'd say he is definitely below Obama, Clinton, and Bush Sr. but I think he is probably above Bush jr. and Reagan....maybe..and definitely above Trump in most ways. Although I do think Biden mostly has very strong social intelligence.

The evidence that Trump literally has a difficult time reading is legion. He can't pronunce basic words ("Thigh land").

Of course Biden has his issues as well and I supsect that Biden has declined some from where he was in say 2008.

But if you look at interviews of Trump he has declined as well from 2016 and definitely from the 90s.

And again at his best there is no reason to think Trump was ever intellectually brilliant. He has definitely had some strengths but he has definitely shown weakness.

Finally I highly doubt if Biden will run in 2024. So if Trump runs it will be a Trump who has declined more against someone like Harris or one of the other young guard.

Trump literally has hardening of the arteries, do yourself a favor and look into the effect that has on cognition over time.

Finally not to be a dick here but quite honestly you admit that you barely pay attention to any of this so why the fuck should your opinion matter one bit? No offense.

Trump literally mused that maybe doctors should look into injecting bleach to cure covid for fucks sake.
Presidents of my lifetime ranked in order of intelligence:

1.... Kennedy / Clinton
2 ....Obama / Carter
3.... Johnson / Eisenhower / GHW Bush
4.... Nixon
5.... Ford / Reagan / GW Bush
6.... Trump


Too early to place Joe yet.
I suspect he would be on line 5.
Maybe 4 or maybe 6.
 
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Presidents of my lifetime ranked in order of intelligence:

1.... Kennedy / Clinton
2 ....Obama / Carter
3.... Johnson / Eisenhower / GHW Bush
4.... Nixon
5.... Ford / Reagan / GW Bush
6.... Trump


Too early to place Joe yet.
I suspect he would be on line 5.
Maybe 4 or maybe 6.
GW Bush should be on a lower level than Ford, Reagan or Biden. He shouldn't be as low as Trump's level but he shouldn't be on the same level as any of the other presidents.
 

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GW Bush should be on a lower level than Ford, Reagan or Biden. He shouldn't be as low as Trump's level but he shouldn't be on the same level as any of the other presidents.
You could make that case perhaps.

And I wouldn't argue the point too strenuously.

However, I believe he was saddled with some stereotypes early in his presidency that were somewhat caricaturish in nature, resulting in a 'W' meme.

I have watched interviews with the man after he left the presidency and he came across better intellectually than I had remembered him from his POTUS days.
He had more of a sense of self-deprecatory humour than any of the group mentioned.
There is some evidence that he even cultivated that simple, bumpkin image to some degree as a counterbalance to public disdain, especially among his base, for wonks and eggheads.

Ford was similarly saddled with the image of being clumsy. He banged his head getting into a helicopter once, and on another occasion, almost walked into the bayonet of a soldier in an honour guard he was inspecting.

The dude played college football and I'm sure, was no clumsier than most.

Images sometimes get exaggerated.