Eerie/creepy photos. **UPDATED** - Bunch of random pics.

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Was that info in the doc? I can't remember hearing of it.
Nah it wasn't really, but you can read between the lines. Two young kids and a third on the way, a secret mistress, a new house that is pretty much an enormous mansion and vastly bigger than their needs, a new luxury car for the social-media-image-obsessed wife, etc etc....... and he cleared a little bit over $60k at his job. They'd declared bankruptcy three years before the murders as well, they were a living beyond their means type couple.

She got a job with a multi level marketing company (so a pyramid scheme), and she was going nuts on Facebook with that and was earning slightly more than him at the time of the murders, but that was a recent development. And it was the type of "job" where you have to strut on Facebook 24/7 and promote your dream life, so there's a lot of pressure to constantly be presenting the right social media image.

Yeah he had a real grab-bag of motivations, he was/is a real gormless piece of shit who just sleepwalked into a horrible life with a really controlling, domineering, shallow, image-obsessed woman. Still, what a piece of shit he is. What was his plan, even? How did he ever think for one second that he was going to get away with it? It's almost offensive, how bad he was at getting away with this crime.

He's currently in the same Wisconsin prison as Stephen Avery, just for trivia's sake.

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Nah it wasn't really, but you can read between the lines. Two young kids and a third on the way, a secret mistress, a new house that is pretty much an enormous mansion and vastly bigger than their needs, a new luxury car for the social-media-image-obsessed wife, etc etc....... and he cleared a little bit over $60k at his job. They'd declared bankruptcy three years before the murders as well, they were a living beyond their means type couple.

She got a job with a multi level marketing company (so a pyramid scheme), and she was going nuts on Facebook with that and was earning slightly more than him at the time of the murders, but that was a recent development. And it was the type of "job" where you have to strut on Facebook 24/7 and promote your dream life, so there's a lot of pressure to constantly be presenting the right social media image.

Yeah he had a real grab-bag of motivations, he was/is a real gormless piece of shit who just sleepwalked into a horrible life with a really controlling, domineering, shallow, image-obsessed woman. Still, what a piece of shit he is. What was his plan, even? How did he ever think for one second that he was going to get away with it? It's almost offensive, how bad he was at getting away with this crime.

He's currently in the same Wisconsin prison as Stephen Avery, just for trivia's sake.

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He had no plan. He killed her because she was in his bed and sleeping. It was just too easy. If he hadn't snapped at that moment, he might've come up with a more organized murder later on.

And that house was nothing special. Property is cheap over there. It was probably a 400-500k mortgage which would've been alright with both of them working.

One other thing: that fidgety behavior he displayed when the cops came was very reminiscent of that guy with long hair who killed the young women in the apartment over and then gave the news interview.
 

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He had no plan. He killed her because she was in his bed and sleeping. It was just too easy. If he hadn't snapped at that moment, he might've come up with a more organized murder later on.

And that house was nothing special. Property is cheap over there. It was probably a 400-500k mortgage which would've been alright with both of them working.

One other thing: that fidgety behavior he displayed when the cops came was very reminiscent of that guy with long hair who killed the young women in the apartment over and then gave the news interview.
That mortgage he would have had to continue to pay, along with child support, on top of whatever his living expenses would be when she ended up divorcing him.


It's clear as day the moron would have been screwed in a divorce and even his retarded ass was able to figure that out.


Bear in mind how alimony in the states works. He'd have to pay not on what his 60k salary was at. But on his POTENTIAL earnings. If he had a year where he worked hard all summer pulling 12 hour days and 90 hour work weeks for overtime, those are the check stubs that her lawyers are going to be putting up in court.

So that new side piece he was banging would have left him with the quickness if it's her that had to foot the bills for every time they gone out, which she clearly wasn't doing, since it's the receipt from him paying for their night out that tipped his wife off that he was lying about where he was and what he was doing.

Which probably lead to her telling him that she was going to take him to the cleaners, and he strangles her.
 

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He had no plan. He killed her because she was in his bed and sleeping. It was just too easy. If he hadn't snapped at that moment, he might've come up with a more organized murder later on.

And that house was nothing special. Property is cheap over there. It was probably a 400-500k mortgage which would've been alright with both of them working.

One other thing: that fidgety behavior he displayed when the cops came was very reminiscent of that guy with long hair who killed the young women in the apartment over and then gave the news interview.
I don't think she was sleeping. I think she confronted him about his affair and told him that she'd be kicking him out of the house and that she'd refuse him access to the kids. And that he just up and murdered her right there, although apparently he's claimed that it had been percolating in his brain for months, in a vague way. That's speculation though, obviously.

What is not speculation is that they were snowed under with bills and debts. Tens of thousands of credit card bills, Shanaan had recently had a $100,000 operation, they were getting sued by their homeowners association over unpaid bills, and they were way behind on the mortgage. Shanaan worked for a pyramid scam so she was buying inventory every month and presenting an image on social media. They had gone bankrupt before, and they were used to living well beyond their means. This was a financially unsustainable lifestyle even before a potential separation/divorce.

The house is massive too, it's bigger than any house I've ever lived in (except one that used to be a brothel in the '80s :lol: ). It legit appears bigger than a place I lived in with eight flatmates. It was the biggest house on the street, apparently. An image home, one bought for appearance rather than functionality.

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Random trivia that fits the thread, I guess - apparently mosque shooter Brenton Tarrant is massively remorseful, and is severely depressed and virtually catatonic. Too bad for him! :lol:

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Random trivia that fits the thread, I guess - apparently mosque shooter Brenton Tarrant is massively remorseful, and is severely depressed and virtually catatonic. Too bad for him! :lol:

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I doubt he’s remorseful. That catatonia is probably just a part of the same mental illness that drove him to the murders in the first place.
 
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I don't think she was sleeping. I think she confronted him about his affair and told him that she'd be kicking him out of the house and that she'd refuse him access to the kids. And that he just up and murdered her right there, although apparently he's claimed that it had been percolating in his brain for months, in a vague way. That's speculation though, obviously.

What is not speculation is that they were snowed under with bills and debts. Tens of thousands of credit card bills, Shanaan had recently had a $100,000 operation, they were getting sued by their homeowners association over unpaid bills, and they were way behind on the mortgage. Shanaan worked for a pyramid scam so she was buying inventory every month and presenting an image on social media. They had gone bankrupt before, and they were used to living well beyond their means. This was a financially unsustainable lifestyle even before a potential separation/divorce.

The house is massive too, it's bigger than any house I've ever lived in (except one that used to be a brothel in the '80s :lol: ). It legit appears bigger than a place I lived in with eight flatmates. It was the biggest house on the street, apparently. An image home, one bought for appearance rather than functionality.

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Either way, I don’t think the murder was planned. He somehow left unscathed if she was awake for the murder.

They should’ve gone into more detail about them where they were financially. Plenty of families spend too much and don’t end in murders.
 

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I doubt he’s remorseful. That catatonia is probably just a part of the same mental illness that drove him to the murders in the first place.
Not remorseful in the "oh my God, look at all the pain and suffering I've caused to all these poor innocent people for no reason."

More like "oh my God, my life sucks even worse now, and it's over, this is all I've got until I die, I'm never ever getting out of this one wing of this one prison."

Remember that this is a guy who, before the shootings, his life was:

  • Go to the gym
  • Come "home" to his unfurnished rented apartment
  • Sit on the internet for hours, obsessively browsing posting on 8chan and the like.
  • Fantasise about his attack

No job, no friends, no woman, no hobbies.

Apparently the cops reckon he's a virgin. He claims he fucked a few chicks on his travels, but none of them have made contact with NZ Police and he can't provide any contact details for anyone. Never had a girlfriend in either Australia or New Zealand.

So yeah, bear in mind that this is someone whose life pretty much revolved around shitposting on 8chan and similar sites. And he hasn't been on the internet in 18 months, so he's removed from that poisonous online culture and he's had nothing to do except sit in a concrete box all day and think about how he got there, and how he has no future at all no matter what he does or doesn't do.

Remember that in his manifesto he was boasting about how if he survived the attack, he was going to turn the trial into an international media circus, represent himself, and spend the whole time giving speeches and trolling everybody like Breivik did in Norway.

But then a year and change later, when push came to shove, he pled guilty and avoided a trial at all. Even in his sentencing, he slumped wordlessly in the dock and when the judge asked him right at the end if he had anything to say, he looked at the floor and quietly said "no". Then they took him down to the cells and that was essentially the end of his life right there. But he went quietly, with none of the bluster and bravado from the manifesto or his first mocking court appearance.

I mean, okay a photo is just a moment in time, but compare the demeanour of the two in their respective trials.










Breivik is clearly relishing the attention and wants to put on a show. Tarrant doesn't want to be there. :thumbsup

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The footage below was uploaded to video sites back in 2014. The uploader claimed to have found the footage on a cell phone that was left in the back of a Taxi cab in Fiji. The footage shows guys on a fishing boat, likely somewhere in the Indian Ocean, shooting at and ultimately killing several shipwreck survivors that were floating in the ocean.



The identifies of both the killers and their victims as well as the motive(s) for the killings remain unknown.


If you forward to about the 9-minute mark of the video below, it shows more of the footage and discusses it in greater detail, including some of the theories behind it:


Taiwanese authorities found and arrested the captain of the boat, the man who allegedly shouted the order to shoot:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/lawless-ocean-ping-shin-killings/2020/10/12/97296824-f68e-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html


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Taiwanese authorities found and arrested the captain of the boat, the man who allegedly shouted the order to shoot:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/lawless-ocean-ping-shin-killings/2020/10/12/97296824-f68e-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html


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Thanks for the update. I thought that case would never be solved.

The sea is a dangerous place, it seems:

"But the case, which is still unfolding, shows the challenge of prosecuting crimes on the high seas. There were at least four tuna longliner ships on the scene of an incident that unfolded over more than 10 minutes in broad daylight. But no law required any of the dozens of witnesses to report the killings — and no one did. Law enforcement in the open ocean is limited, and jurisdiction is complicated. Authorities learned of the killings only when the video turned up on a cellphone left in a taxi in Fiji in 2014.

It’s still unclear who the victims were, or why they were shot. An unknown number of similar killings take place each year — deckhands on the ship from which the video was shot told a private investigator, and later a documentary crew on camera, that they’d witnessed a similar slaughter a week before."
 
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Not remorseful in the "oh my God, look at all the pain and suffering I've caused to all these poor innocent people for no reason."

More like "oh my God, my life sucks even worse now, and it's over, this is all I've got until I die, I'm never ever getting out of this one wing of this one prison."

Remember that this is a guy who, before the shootings, his life was:

  • Go to the gym
  • Come "home" to his unfurnished rented apartment
  • Sit on the internet for hours, obsessively browsing posting on 8chan and the like.
  • Fantasise about his attack
No job, no friends, no woman, no hobbies.

Apparently the cops reckon he's a virgin. He claims he fucked a few chicks on his travels, but none of them have made contact with NZ Police and he can't provide any contact details for anyone. Never had a girlfriend in either Australia or New Zealand.

So yeah, bear in mind that this is someone whose life pretty much revolved around shitposting on 8chan and similar sites. And he hasn't been on the internet in 18 months, so he's removed from that poisonous online culture and he's had nothing to do except sit in a concrete box all day and think about how he got there, and how he has no future at all no matter what he does or doesn't do.

Remember that in his manifesto he was boasting about how if he survived the attack, he was going to turn the trial into an international media circus, represent himself, and spend the whole time giving speeches and trolling everybody like Breivik did in Norway.

But then a year and change later, when push came to shove, he pled guilty and avoided a trial at all. Even in his sentencing, he slumped wordlessly in the dock and when the judge asked him right at the end if he had anything to say, he looked at the floor and quietly said "no". Then they took him down to the cells and that was essentially the end of his life right there. But he went quietly, with none of the bluster and bravado from the manifesto or his first mocking court appearance.

I mean, okay a photo is just a moment in time, but compare the demeanour of the two in their respective trials.










Breivik is clearly relishing the attention and wants to put on a show. Tarrant doesn't want to be there. :thumbsup

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You think the mosque killing could have been avoided if that guy found some fat girl to pipe him?
 

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You think the mosque killing could have been avoided if that guy found some fat girl to pipe him?
Maybe. :lol:

There actually seems to be a running theme with that in these types of events, though. Radicalisation fuelled by - among other things - inability to find sex and/or romance. The link is strong enough that I'm surprised it doesn't seem to be particularly well studied - I'd like to read some scholarship about it.

OK some of these guys were young and/or severely and obviously mentally ill, so that's an excuse/reason....... but most of them weren't.

I mean, just off the top of my head:

Timothy McVeigh - virgin.
Dylann Roof (Charleston church) - virgin.
Nikolas Cruz (Parkland school) - virgin.
Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook) - virgin. (Extremely mentally ill.)
Virginia Tech killer - virgin. (Extremely mentally ill)
Both Columbine shooters - virgins.
Unabomber - 50 year old virgin.
Patrick Crusius (alt-right killer of 22 Hispanics in a Walmart) - virgin.
Christchurch mosque shooter - Virgin or essentially a virgin.
And of course, most Islamic suicide attackers are virgins.

You can give a couple from this list a pass about never letting go of their V card, either for being too young to get into bars or for being so mentally ill that nobody could even hold a brief normal everyday conversation with them. But if you made a list like that and they were all gay, or all lefthanded or all rangas or whatever, then that would be a pretty striking theme.

And this is just those famous ones who are known to be virgins. There's shitloads of lesser known virgin guys who killed a handful of people, and almost everyone who launches an attack like that is either an incel (Alek Minassian), someone who has given up on even trying to attract anybody (Elliot Rodgers), or they are in a sexless, not loving relationship (Stephen Paddock).

To me, it seems to be just about the most common theme (except for the perpetrator being male) running through all of these types of events. Much more so than political ideology or even mental illness.

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Maybe. :lol:

There actually seems to be a running theme with that in these types of events, though. Radicalisation fuelled by - among other things - inability to find sex and/or romance. The link is strong enough that I'm surprised it doesn't seem to be particularly well studied - I'd like to read some scholarship about it.

OK some of these guys were young and/or severely and obviously mentally ill, so that's an excuse/reason....... but most of them weren't.

I mean, just off the top of my head:

Timothy McVeigh - virgin.
Dylann Roof (Charleston church) - virgin.
Nikolas Cruz (Parkland school) - virgin.
Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook) - virgin. (Extremely mentally ill.)
Virginia Tech killer - virgin. (Extremely mentally ill)
Both Columbine shooters - virgins.
Unabomber - 50 year old virgin.
Patrick Crusius (alt-right killer of 22 Hispanics in a Walmart) - virgin.
Christchurch mosque shooter - Virgin or essentially a virgin.
And of course, most Islamic suicide attackers are virgins.

You can give a couple from this list a pass about never letting go of their V card, either for being too young to get into bars or for being so mentally ill that nobody could even hold a brief normal everyday conversation with them. But if you made a list like that and they were all gay, or all lefthanded or all rangas or whatever, then that would be a pretty striking theme.

And this is just those famous ones who are known to be virgins. There's shitloads of lesser known virgin guys who killed a handful of people, and almost everyone who launches an attack like that is either an incel (Alek Minassian), someone who has given up on even trying to attract anybody (Elliot Rodgers), or they are in a sexless, not loving relationship (Stephen Paddock).

To me, it seems to be just about the most common theme (except for the perpetrator being male) running through all of these types of events. Much more so than political ideology or even mental illness.

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I have a hard time fathoming the level of weirdo one would have to ascend to in order to stay sexless into adulthood.

Barring some kind of horrific disfigurement or extreme isolation like living in the boonies with no transport or women around, there is virtually no reason why they couldn't have landed some pimpled cat lady that has no other prospects.



Suppose with their level of weirdness it should be a warning sign if they have no socially functional friends that are willing to utilize them as wingmen to occupy the less desirable women when out playing stink finger.
 

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Speaking of Chris Watts, he killed his family early in the morning. Went to work, got called back to the house by the cops, dealt with that all afternoon, then they let him go back to the house for the evening/night.

What the fuck must that night have been like?

Lying there alone in the house where you just murdered your wife 18 hours ago, and you know that IF you fall asleep then you're just going to wake up and have to deal with the cops...... and you've got the feeling that you really fucked this up and you're not going to get away with it.

And if you want to sleep in your bed - that's where you murdered your wife and saw her shit herself.

Would you sleep in one of your daughters' rooms? I mean you know they won't be needing it, but i can't see it being a great nights sleep. Sleep on the couch? What do you do at 3am, alone in the house after a day like that, knowing what you did and what is waiting for you tomorrow? Must have been a really weird headspace that night. Wonder what the fuck was going through his head.

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Mad in what sense? In how pathetic his attempts to portray himself as clueless and innocent are?

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All of it was mad. His weird whispered confession to his father was probably the strangest moment. Although him watching videos of his children on his phone moments for he is arrested and charged - "the list time he would ever looks at a phone" - probably runs it a close second.
 

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Maybe. :lol:

There actually seems to be a running theme with that in these types of events, though. Radicalisation fuelled by - among other things - inability to find sex and/or romance. The link is strong enough that I'm surprised it doesn't seem to be particularly well studied - I'd like to read some scholarship about it.

OK some of these guys were young and/or severely and obviously mentally ill, so that's an excuse/reason....... but most of them weren't.

I mean, just off the top of my head:

Timothy McVeigh - virgin.
Dylann Roof (Charleston church) - virgin.
Nikolas Cruz (Parkland school) - virgin.
Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook) - virgin. (Extremely mentally ill.)
Virginia Tech killer - virgin. (Extremely mentally ill)
Both Columbine shooters - virgins.
Unabomber - 50 year old virgin.
Patrick Crusius (alt-right killer of 22 Hispanics in a Walmart) - virgin.
Christchurch mosque shooter - Virgin or essentially a virgin.
And of course, most Islamic suicide attackers are virgins.

You can give a couple from this list a pass about never letting go of their V card, either for being too young to get into bars or for being so mentally ill that nobody could even hold a brief normal everyday conversation with them. But if you made a list like that and they were all gay, or all lefthanded or all rangas or whatever, then that would be a pretty striking theme.

And this is just those famous ones who are known to be virgins. There's shitloads of lesser known virgin guys who killed a handful of people, and almost everyone who launches an attack like that is either an incel (Alek Minassian), someone who has given up on even trying to attract anybody (Elliot Rodgers), or they are in a sexless, not loving relationship (Stephen Paddock).

To me, it seems to be just about the most common theme (except for the perpetrator being male) running through all of these types of events. Much more so than political ideology or even mental illness.

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you - plotted a mass shooting, never boned raw ... virgin