Elon Musk Ventures - Falcon 9 turns 10, Tesla stock falls as Elon wants to break up Amazon

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I'm keeping an eye on Tesla stock prices...
Quite boring. Unfortunately Cybertruck comes before the Roadster, that crazy SpaceX cold thruster-infused beast hitting 60 in 1,7-1,8s this year would've been awesome. But if Cyb comes first, which has no factory yet, then it's probably 2023 for the sports car.

Understandable: Tesla needs to build out these Giga & Terafactories, matter of fact: Model 3 was the most sold car in the UK in April and Y will up the demand worldwide, so those are priorities. That means doing Giga Berlin and expanding Shanghai to Tera before Roadster. I do like these epic scale construction videos.



Factory was some bare steel structure on mud a year ago and fully working in December, and now it looks like Tera Shanghai will triple in size come year's end, producing Model Y, drivetrains, batteries and solar panels, something Tesla does in 3 factories in the US. And Giga Berlin should follow these footsteps, so it takes most of Tesla's capital.

Gigs Texas (most likely location) could also aim to be such a terafactory, and size is both needed for the cold roll steel manufacturing of Cyb's exoskeleton as well as the much larger batteries. Especially true for the Semi. So priorities are upping battery production and popular cars then the hypercar. :(
 

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As Europe slowly turned industries back on and even India is looking to open production, Elon is still fighting his battle to resume work at Tesla Fremont, avoiding losing a billion over this quarter which is already half wasted. Though California greenlighted manufacturing statewide this week, Alameda County supersedes that order and extended shutdown into June. That's odd considering much better stats compared to LA, NY, Spain or Italy.

This is a tough situation from all sides obviously, Musk has selfish reasons to resume: not just US/European Teslas, Shanghai depends most ly on Fremont parts and he also have 12k workers to feed. While Alameda County has every right to stay shut if they feel Covid is still lurking, Fremont is almost entirely a young workforce very much unaffected by death, plus Elon has Giga Shanghai Covid experience (distancing, masks, face shields, health checks, regular cleaning, stay-at-home-if-you-feel-down etc.).

Statistically, few big factories have stayed closed this long (7 weeks and counting), and ironically, where GM or Ford isn't too busy going 100%, demands for Teslas are still there as Q1 shows, and there are huge orders in China which will only source 80% of local parts in 6-9 months, so if Fremont parts run out, Shanghai production stops (which it did, for a day). Tesla is far too healthy financially to collapse, but many contractors and workers are feeling the heat.

I have no financial interest here, it's just odd that a young workforce is ordered home when they know damn well that whether they work or not, it's the elderly and sick who must be protected. As far as they go, they gotta earn some money. Which is why California is risking partial reopening, even if that will likely result in more infections for a while. Financial collapse however is a whole different virus. No real winners here.
 
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Oh shit! Elon vs. Alameda just hit NEXT LEVEL!

So Alameda County has stated unequivocally that Fremont Tesla factory WILL stay shut down into June and Elon just said 'mkay, we move Tesla HQ to Texas or Nevada and all future expansions will depend on the county's behavior. He also said Tasla is the last car manufacturer in California, and perhaps not for long.


BTW, this practically confirms Giga Texas, as Elon slipped in his Twrant.

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Elon argues the the State of California has green lighted resuming of manufacturing (in limited capacity), Giga Nevada is back on and San Joaquin County nearby also operating. As well as some essential elements in Alameda BTW without mass spread, but Tesla is not such an entity. Cue in lawsuit. Possible class action. And he's selling his houses in California so he probably moves permanently.



And here's the statement from Fremont Mayor Lily Mei:

“As the local shelter-in-place order continues without provisions for major manufacturing activity, such as Tesla, to resume, I am growing concerned about the potential implications for our regional economy. We know many essential businesses have proven they can successfully operate using strict safety and social distancing practices. I strongly believe these same practices could be possible for other manufacturing businesses, especially those that are so critical to our employment base. The City encourages the County to engage with our local businesses to come up with acceptable guidelines for re-opening our local economy. As we have done for over a decade, the City is prepared to support Tesla as soon as they are able to resume automobile manufacturing operations and are committed to a thoughtful, balanced approach to this effort that remains safe for our Fremont community.”
 
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SN4 has passed 7,5 bar cryo testing rated for small hops just hours ago, tho rather than takeoff they'll likely use SN4 for some heavier loaded / longer duration static fire testing early next week as they are finishing SN5 for the hops. SpaceX will soon be licenced to perform both 150 m and 20 km, but I don't think SN5 is quite refined for the latter just yet, we'll see. Raptor vacuum (the variant that fires up in the upper atmosphere / vacuum) will first be testing in a month or so, another critical step.



SpaceX has delayed the next Starlink launch planned for earlier this week to a few days before the May 27 NASA / Crew Dragon demo mission, tho the two rockets will launch from different pads at the Kennedy Space Center so there should be no issue even if there's an issue.



The target date of Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley lifting off on the small capsule riding on the Falcon 9 Block 5 first and 2nd stage booster is still on, weather permitting. The two astronauts and key mission personnel have been long quarantined and no media will be allowed on site and NASA recommends to watch the live stream at home rather than travel nearby. Tho they can't block the latter if not on NASA land, no one will respect and accredit those who are going anyway.
 
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Oh shit! Elon vs. Alameda just hit NEXT LEVEL!

So Alameda County has stated unequivocally that Fremont Tesla factory WILL stay shut down into June and Elon just said 'mkay, we move Tesla HQ to Texas or Nevada and all future expansions will depend on the county's behavior. He also said Tasla is the last car manufacturer in California, and perhaps not for long.


BTW, this practically confirms Giga Texas, as Elon slipped in his Twrant.

Also:


Elon argues the the State of California has green lighted resuming of manufacturing (in limited capacity), Giga Nevada is back on and San Joaquin County nearby also operating. As well as some essential elements in Alameda BTW without mass spread, but Tesla is not such an entity. Cue in lawsuit. Possible class action. And he's selling his houses in California so he probably moves permanently.



And here's the statement from Fremont Mayor Lily Mei:

“As the local shelter-in-place order continues without provisions for major manufacturing activity, such as Tesla, to resume, I am growing concerned about the potential implications for our regional economy. We know many essential businesses have proven they can successfully operate using strict safety and social distancing practices. I strongly believe these same practices could be possible for other manufacturing businesses, especially those that are so critical to our employment base. The City encourages the County to engage with our local businesses to come up with acceptable guidelines for re-opening our local economy. As we have done for over a decade, the City is prepared to support Tesla as soon as they are able to resume automobile manufacturing operations and are committed to a thoughtful, balanced approach to this effort that remains safe for our Fremont community.”
Typically, I'm not with cunt billionaires, but from what it sounds like, he has a case. If the State has opened, I don't get why one county is holding everything up.
 
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Typically, I'm not with cunt billionaires, but from what it sounds like, he has a case. If the State has opened, I don't get why one county is holding everything up.
Infection and death rates do differ by the county, but if anyone has extensive Covid factory experience it's Tesla, since Musk & co. have been in contact with hundreds of Chinese suppliers who ramped during the same crisis in January, and of course Giga Shanghai has successfully implemented proper worker safety measures - something now Giga Nevada and Tesla's Cali foundry follow - and both are operating normally.

Not to mention that bakeries, post offices, supermarkets, DHL and many other businesses remained open in Alameda 24/7 during worst times, so I think Elon has a case for reopening a controlled factory, not only by saying his company has more actual, real experience handing Covid from the workforce side than Alameda, but because Tesla (and not Alameda) is losing 300 million dollars a week. And since it takes money to pay money, Tesla will have to lay off thousands if this goes on, and ppl. losing (and not finding) a job anytime soon, losing medical insurance and access for health food will actually result in worse medical crisis than Covid would do to this very young workforce.

But Tesla DOES take this virus seriously, which is why are following several strict guidelines:



They also built up local walls inside the factory, health check points, safe distance guidelines, hired extra cleaning personnel, put out disinfectants, introduced contactless payments and stuff, have doctors on site and will actually video-train every employee before allowing them back in following every state guideline and more (masks, face shields etc.).

So once again: Elon talks a lot, but at the same time Tesla goes out of his way to actually build its 12k workforce a safe environment to earn money and pay bills. Now let's see what State Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez does in the meantime:


Well done, clearly a great step toward resolution to a problem that affects thousands of ppl. and billions of dollars.
 

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Behold! The Wacky Bacci Kid has spoken! :lol:

As unstable as Elon is I wish more powerful folk would take unilateral action to end the nonsense that it has all now become.

In the UK we are literally at the stage where it's "Please Miss are we allowed to play hop scotch?"

What's scariest to me is how submissive the general population is. People just love being told what and what not to do.
 
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Well done, clearly a great step toward resolution to a problem that affects thousands of ppl. and billions of dollars.
Again, Musk is a cunt, but people need jobs. Like that lady in Texas that went to jail for working. This quarantine is absolute madness. You can't stop people from working and not offer them anything but crumbs. 1,200 is nothing for people living in California.

The kinds of people that get voted into office, though :sad. Well, I guess that is exactly what her retarded voters were going for, huh. By the way, I remember reading that a lot of people have been moving from California to Texas.
 

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Infection and death rates do differ by the county, but if anyone has extensive Covid factory experience it's Tesla, since Musk & co. have been in contact with hundreds of Chinese suppliers who ramped during the same crisis in January, and of course Giga Shanghai has successfully implemented proper worker safety measures - something now Giga Nevada and Tesla's Cali foundry follow - and both are operating normally.

Not to mention that bakeries, post offices, supermarkets, DHL and many other businesses remained open in Alameda 24/7 during worst times, so I think Elon has a case for reopening a controlled factory, not only by saying his company has more actual, real experience handing Covid from the workforce side than Alameda, but because Tesla (and not Alameda) is losing 300 million dollars a week. And since it takes money to pay money, Tesla will have to lay off thousands if this goes on, and ppl. losing (and not finding) a job anytime soon, losing medical insurance and access for health food will actually result in worse medical crisis than Covid would do to this very young workforce.

But Tesla DOES take this virus seriously, which is why are following several strict guidelines:



They also built up local walls inside the factory, health check points, safe distance guidelines, hired extra cleaning personnel, put out disinfectants, introduced contactless payments and stuff, have doctors on site and will actually video-train every employee before allowing them back in following every state guideline and more (masks, face shields etc.).

So once again: Elon talks a lot, but at the same time Tesla goes out of his way to actually build its 12k workforce a safe environment to earn money and pay bills. Now let's see what State Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez does in the meantime:


Well done, clearly a great step toward resolution to a problem that affects thousands of ppl. and billions of dollars.
That is fucking insane that an elected official would tweet that. Musk has other compelling reasons to move base to Texas because it would limit plane hops down to Boca Chica.

I can’t see him moving the software/tech side of Tesla to Texas and losing access to all that Silicone Valley tech talent.
 
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Again, Musk is a cunt, but people need jobs. Like that lady in Texas that went to jail for working. This quarantine is absolute madness. You can't stop people from working and not offer them anything but crumbs. 1,200 is nothing for people living in California.

The kinds of people that get voted into office, though :sad. Well, I guess that is exactly what her retarded voters were going for, huh. By the way, I remember reading that a lot of people have been moving from California to Texas.
As an elected official, you can say whatever you please and still collect your paycheck while millions lose theirs, and when a company lays off ppl. directly or indirectly cause of your actions (or lack thereof), you can run your reelection campaign putting the blame on greedy companies once more - damned if you do, damned if you don't.



BTW, one of the chief US oil corporations, Chevron is Lorena Gonzalez' top 3 campaign donor. :lol: Speaking about being an absolute cunt while your strings being pulled.
 

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Speak about distorted media image of greedy Elon vs. reality: az Michigan reopens car factories, Tesla remains the ONLY auto manufacturer in the United States that is closed, and with so many anti-Musk voices backed by the fossil fuel lobby... is Musk REALLY the asshole CNN and CNBC make him out to be? How come not a single one of the other CEOs in the industry that pushed for and successfully opened business are being called out?


Even the United States Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin says California should absolutely aid Tesla to reopen fast as well as California governor Gavin Newsome (is his name really a combination of News and Awesome?).


It appears however, other factors than Covid is at play, and while Elon has his annoying fanboys and fangirls, the media funded by 20th century tech and corps(e), there's quite a large gap between perception and reality. Oh well...

In spaced news, Raptor is back on SN4 and heavier load static fire tests start in 24 hours. This is how the rocket foundry and the launch site looks like in Boca Chica, TX:

 
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For Tesla ,the Californian market must be pretty saturated.

Musk's antics wont go down too badly in new, unconquered frontiers , like China...…..and,er,Texas.
 
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