Fighters who had overrated power.

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Michael Spinks, although often considered to be a destructive puncher at 175lbs, really had to go to town on a lot of his opponents to get the stoppages. Ranquello, Sutherland, Willie Taylor, Rivadeneyra, etc. They all took truck loads of punishment before they wilted. I tend to think Spinks is talked of as a great puncher due to the Marvin Johnson one-punch KO, but we never really saw him take out another quality opponent like that again. Johnson was hit with a perfectly placed, perfectly timed punch that he didn't see coming. Spinks possessed good power, but he wasn't a one-punch killer.
His left hand was deadly against southpaws. Look how he wasted Wassaja, who was top quality.
 
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Duran above 130 :rofl

Jackson didn't score any brutal kayos above 154, nah?

Hearns didn't hit and hurt good fighters above 154, nah?

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lightweight is 135 pounds? .. in spain we talk about kg not pounds so it was a mistake, i am not a troll, i tell my opinion, you are a complete troll, a complete trash and i don´t know why a complete retarded loser like you is a moderator in this forum, a moderator should be a serious guy impartial, not a punk like you with a 13 years old brain.
 

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His left hand was deadly against southpaws. Look how he wasted Wassaja, who was top quality.
Indeed. That was a brutal stoppage.

lightweight is 135 pounds? .. in spain we talk about kg not pounds so it was a mistake, i am not a troll, i tell my opinion, you are a complete troll, a complete trash and i don´t know why a complete retarded loser like you is a moderator in this forum, a moderator should be a serious guy impartial, not a punk like you with a 13 years old brain.
Flea Man is a moderator because he spends the vast majority of his time reading, watching, or talking about the sport of Boxing. He spends a lot of time on these forums. Who knows, you might be more knowledgeable then Flea Man, but it's hard to tell because most of us don't have the patience nor the time to decipher your posts.
 
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There's a big difference between huge power, and the ability to DELIVER that huge power

Yes. This seems to be one of the most commonly struggled-with concepts in boxing. Like having different kinds of punch resistance problems and what "p4p" actually means in its common usage. Some people just never grasp it. There are journeymen most posters here have never heard of with power that is talked about with hushed tones of awe in gyms all over the place. Guys with 20% kayo ratios who have trainers saying "If you hold the mitts for him, it can be overwhelming." Matthysse, for instance, may never be considered a great fighter, and may never score a great one-punch knockout over a top notch guy with a top notch chin, but even away from cameras, I've heard through the grapevine that most who come into contact with him will admit being impressed by that if nothing else. He is a very, very powerful man for his size.
 
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Yes. This seems to be one of the most commonly struggled-with concepts in boxing. Like having different kinds of punch resistance problems and what "p4p" actually means in its common usage. Some people just never grasp it. There are journeymen most posters here have never heard of with power that is talked about with hushed tones of awe in gyms all over the place. Guys with 20% kayo ratios who have trainers saying "If you hold the mitts for him, it can be overwhelming." Matthysse, for instance, may never be considered a great fighter, and may never score a great one-punch knockout over a top notch guy with a top notch chin, but even away from cameras, I've heard through the grapevine that most who come into contact with him will admit being impressed by that if nothing else. He is a very, very powerful man for his size.
seriously, damn good post. Burt has said Tiger Jack Fox, who is known as a puncher, was one of the most awkward uncoordinated people to ever step foot in a ring but could knock out a fucking tank. Another prominent poster has discussed Bert Lytell's reputation in the gym as a monster. Some guys just have the power, can't use it
 
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lightweight is 135 pounds? .. in spain we talk about kg not pounds so it was a mistake, i am not a troll, i tell my opinion, you are a complete troll, a complete trash and i don´t know why a complete retarded loser like you is a moderator in this forum, a moderator should be a serious guy impartial, not a punk like you with a 13 years old brain.
Ahhh so you meant 130 KILOS! That makes much more sense.....

I was voted as a moderator by posters. They know I don't let idiots swan around being cunts.
 
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Ahhh so you meant 130 KILOS! That makes much more sense.....

I was voted as a moderator by posters. They know I don't let idiots swan around being cunts.
not, dumbass.. simply i work with kg so i was not sure about the equivalent weight in pounds..
 

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seriously, damn good post. Burt has said Tiger Jack Fox, who is known as a puncher, was one of the most awkward uncoordinated people to ever step foot in a ring but could knock out a fucking tank. Another prominent poster has discussed Bert Lytell's reputation in the gym as a monster. Some guys just have the power, can't use it
Jameel McCline is a similar type of fighter. Considered to be hugely powerful by his gym mates but clams up in the ring and can't deliver that power effectively. The few times he was able to he did some serious damage. Sam Peter?

Going a bit off topic though.
 

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Tommy Morrison's power gets a wee bit overrated I feel, though he still had one of the most picture perfect left hooks ever. The way some people talk about him though it seems he could knock out anyone he hits flush with it, and that wasn't the case.
 

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His left hand was deadly against southpaws. Look how he wasted Wassaja, who was top quality.
Mike's right uppercut off the ropes sounded like a shotgun blast off Jerry Celestine's head.

So far, we've talked about his multiple hooks turning Wassaja into a bobble-head doll, his hooker-cut (set up by a deflating right to the body), laying out Marvin Johnson (while "Another One Bites the Dust" played tastelessly over the PA), and the right uppercut which nearly turned Celestine celestial. The JINX itself hasn't even been mentioned.

While we're at it, Michael's jab splashed Ranquello's face into a crimson masterpiece.

The Marvin Johnson knockout simply overshadows everything else. Everybody who watched his entire career knows that he could unload the finisher from either hand at any time once he had a chance to get warmed up, and whenever that sleeper did not make an appearance by the final bell, he was the one who always got his hand raised anyway.
 

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While we're at it, Michael's jab splashed Ranquello's face into a crimson masterpiece.
There was a thread in the General not too long ago discussing great jabbing displays. I posted Spinks-Ranquello.

The Marvin Johnson knockout simply overshadows everything else. Everybody who watched his entire career knows that he could unload the finisher from either hand at any time once he had a chance to get warmed up, and whenever that sleeper did not make an appearance by the final bell, he was the one who always got his hand raised anyway.
The Marvin Johnson knockout definitely overshadowed the rest of Michael's arsenal and I also think it caused people to overstate his one-punch knockout power. It's understandable, Johnson was as tough as they come and had gone to hell and back with Saad Muhammad, not once but twice. It was about as aesthetically pleasing as a knockout as one could hope to see and it came against a fighter who was known for his ability to absorb punishment. It's understandable. But if you look at Spinks' reign at 175lbs, he didn't consistently knock fighters out with single shots. The majority of them sustained beatings.
 
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Tommy Morrison's power gets a wee bit overrated I feel, though he still had one of the most picture perfect left hooks ever. The way some people talk about him though it seems he could knock out anyone he hits flush with it, and that wasn't the case.
no, the power of morrison is not overrated, he was a huge puncher, rated by thomas like a harder puncher than tyson shot for shot
 
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no, the power of morrison is not overrated, he was a huge puncher, rated by thomas like a harder puncher than tyson shot for shot
i knew you'd pounce on that :cheers i wish morrison had that one signature win over an elite fighter. foreman was great but if he had fought lewis when the fight was scheduled and knocked him out (it's possible) there wouldn't be so many question marks
 

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no, the power of morrison is not overrated, he was a huge puncher, rated by thomas like a harder puncher than tyson shot for shot
Mercer said Morrison hit him so hard that Ray was farting in the ring. Mercer's a pretty decent authority on the punching power of his opponents, and seemed to rate Tommy over Lennox, Bert Cooper, Holyfield, Holmes and Witherspoon. (I don't recall him also specifically rating Tommy over Wlad and Briggs, but he was past 40 when they stopped him, so I wouldn't disregard Mercer if he did rate Morrison's power over Wlad's and Shannon's as well.)

Tommy was never really able to get the traction he needed to tee off on Foreman. Yes, he hit George with good shots, but Foreman was always shoving him away, forcing Morrison on the back foot, and giving Tommy no choice but to punch and run. I don't believe Morrison ever really had the chance to get in that one really big shot Cooney moved Foreman with near the end of their opening round. (Gerry, being taller than George, had the height and reach to land that shot on Foreman, even though he was slower than Tommy.)
 

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Mercer said Morrison hit him so hard that Ray was farting in the ring. Mercer's a pretty decent authority on the punching power of his opponents, and seemed to rate Tommy over Lennox, Bert Cooper, Holyfield, Holmes and Witherspoon. (I don't recall him also specifically rating Tommy over Wlad and Briggs, but he was past 40 when they stopped him, so I wouldn't disregard Mercer if he did rate Morrison's power over Wlad's and Shannon's as well.)

Tommy was never really able to get the traction he needed to tee off on Foreman. Yes, he hit George with good shots, but Foreman was always shoving him away, forcing Morrison on the back foot, and giving Tommy no choice but to punch and run. I don't believe Morrison ever really had the chance to get in that one really big shot Cooney moved Foreman with near the end of their opening round. (Gerry, being taller than George, had the height and reach to land that shot on Foreman, even though he was slower than Tommy.)
http://www.boxingscene.com/boxingscene-exclusive-ray-mercer-interview--1787



Guess that shot from Wladimir to the temple had some sort of analgesic on Mercer.
 

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no, the power of morrison is not overrated, he was a huge puncher, rated by thomas like a harder puncher than tyson shot for shot
Shot for shot? You mean every shot? Then he was definitely overrated. Tyson clearly hit harder with his right hand.

Morrison had a wicked left hook and could punch ferociously in combination as well, but he's consistently brought up as one of the hardest punchers ever and I don't think he quite merits that accolade.
 

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Shot for shot? You mean every shot? Then he was definitely overrated. Tyson clearly hit harder with his right hand.

Morrison had a wicked left hook and could punch ferociously in combination as well, but he's consistently brought up as one of the hardest punchers ever and I don't think he quite merits that accolade.
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Ruddock's powers of recovery were pretty scary. I'm convinced he would have gotten up against Lewis as well had the referee not waved it off.

The Morrison stoppage was bullshit. There was only 10 seconds left before the end of the round and Morrison wasn't landing all that cleanly with his flurries. Morrison got very lucky there. He'd have been pretty tired coming out for the 7th.
 
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Shot for shot? You mean every shot? Then he was definitely overrated. Tyson clearly hit harder with his right hand.

Morrison had a wicked left hook and could punch ferociously in combination as well, but he's consistently brought up as one of the hardest punchers ever and I don't think he quite merits that accolade.
NO HE DID NOT HIT CLEARLY HARDER, pinklon thommas fought both men and he said that morrison did hit harder, so i will take the word of a guy who took shots from both men... plus morrison did hurt ruddock with a single shot much more than tyson did with a single shot
 
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[video=youtube;XUYczlB3L-Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUYczlB3L-Q[/video]

Ruddock's powers of recovery were pretty scary. I'm convinced he would have gotten up against Lewis as well had the referee not waved it off.

The Morrison stoppage was bullshit. There was only 10 seconds left before the end of the round and Morrison wasn't landing all that cleanly with his flurries. Morrison got very lucky there. He'd have been pretty tired coming out for the 7th.
yes yes, ruddock won by ko in the 7 actually..