Fighters who had overrated power.

tommygun711

You don't have the capability for mayhem
Jun 4, 2013
13,319
4,574
30
Its laughable to pretend that fixed fight foreman was the hardest puncher of the 80s and 90s and yes the beatings that Tyson laid on Ruddock changed his career. Tyson softened him up big time. Ruddock would have been better served not taking the rematch. He may have had some room to argue that he was stopped a little too soon (debateable) against Tyson in the first fight but he wasnt winning that fight, not even close.
I don't know why FACTS like these are ignored by heavy hands... Plenty of fighters have had their careers destroyed by knockouts/beatings. Roy Jones Jr was never the same after two consecutive knockouts by Tarver & Johnson. that is only one example. Meldrick Taylor is a big one.
 

NoNeck

Banned
Jun 7, 2013
548
0
See, this is what I'm talking about. If you stay up all night doing coke and then stand in front of him without moving your head or putting your hands up, George Foreman hit very hard. Of course, Buttetbean would also have scary power under those circumstances--watch him nail Bart Gunn.

Lennox, Tyson, and Ruddock all had far superior power duing that time.
overrated? haha he was clearly the hardest puncher around in the 80s and 90s, the problem is that he was old and slow and he could not land in the key point. horrible mention.. you are clearly a foreman hater, probably you would say that prime foreman was overrated also but then million of people would be against you so you will not say it..
 

Phantom

Curious member...
May 17, 2013
9,734
2,706
the hardest puncher of the 80s and 90s is a bit of a stretch, even if you're just talking heavyweights. Old Foreman still had the power but not the power of his youth i'd say. The moorer KO is great and he had many awesome knockouts in his second incarnation (the Coetzee one is brutal even if it's a TKO, he shattered that fuckers nose and nearly killed him). Have said that, I think you'd have a very tough argument saying that old foreman was a harder hitter than Tyson or Lewis. Lewis would he hit his stride and committed to hurting his opponents was a monster and tyson was...well tyson. Old Foreman still had the power but just not as much. If he did, Holyfield wouldn't have been standing at the end of that fight[/QUOTE :dealAmen Brother Jorodz!!! I've said it many times....Young George Foreman would have massacred Holyfield...it would have started somewhat competitively, but would have ended like the Norton fight (one of my favorite ko's of all time)....Young George would have been like a hungry lion vs Evander.
 
Jun 6, 2013
863
0
See, this is what I'm talking about. If you stay up all night doing coke and then stand in front of him without moving your head or putting your hands up, George Foreman hit very hard. Of course, Buttetbean would also have scary power under those circumstances--watch him nail Bart Gunn.

Lennox, Tyson, and Ruddock all had far superior power duing that tim
e.
no, foreman had more power, they were younger so they would land more frecuently but foreman had more power.. don´t change the topic , we are talking about who was the hardest puncher, not the best combination puncher , the faster or the most skilled puncher... foreman had more power period.
 
Last edited:

It's Ovah

It's all ovah!
Jun 6, 2013
1,719
6
A cut above my left nose
no, foreman had more power, they were younger so they would land more frecuently but foreman had more power.. don´t change the topic , we are talking about who was the hardest puncher, not the best combination puncher , the faster or the most skilled puncher... foreman had more power period.
Based on what in-ring footage?
 
Sep 14, 2012
728
1
the hardest puncher of the 80s and 90s is a bit of a stretch, even if you're just talking heavyweights. Old Foreman still had the power but not the power of his youth i'd say. The moorer KO is great and he had many awesome knockouts in his second incarnation (the Coetzee one is brutal even if it's a TKO, he shattered that fuckers nose and nearly killed him). Have said that, I think you'd have a very tough argument saying that old foreman was a harder hitter than Tyson or Lewis. Lewis would he hit his stride and committed to hurting his opponents was a monster and tyson was...well tyson. Old Foreman still had the power but just not as much. If he did, Holyfield wouldn't have been standing at the end of that fight[/QUOTE :dealAmen Brother Jorodz!!! I've said it many times....Young George Foreman would have massacred Holyfield...it would have started somewhat competitively, but would have ended like the Norton fight (one of my favorite ko's of all time)....Young George would have been like a hungry lion vs Evander.
now THAT would be one hell of a fight...a bleeding, busted up holyfield coming forward the only way he knew how. throwing left hooks inside while foreman pushed him back and landed hard uppercuts and right hands. holy wouldn't quit and foreman would just keep hammering him
 

Phantom

Curious member...
May 17, 2013
9,734
2,706
Just compare this example of a young, fit, near prime Jerry Quarry (oh how I wish the Quarry-Mathis vid existed)'....
...
with this tired, flabby, puffy, shot specimen here..
...
I just know that the younger, fitter, quicker, vindictive counter pinching Quarry would have made things far more interesting vs Ken Norton...just sayin...
 
Reactions: Duo and tommygun711

tommygun711

You don't have the capability for mayhem
Jun 4, 2013
13,319
4,574
30
Just compare this example of a young, fit, near prime Jerry Quarry (oh how I wish the Quarry-Mathis vid existed)'....
...
with this tired, flabby, puffy, shot specimen here..
...
I just know that the younger, fitter, quicker, vindictive counter pinching Quarry would have made things far more interesting vs Ken Norton...just sayin...
good point. I always thought that a prime Quarry would have maybe even knocked out Norton.
 
Reactions: Duo

Duo

Bosomus Maximus
Jun 14, 2012
7,422
4,153
Just compare this example of a young, fit, near prime Jerry Quarry (oh how I wish the Quarry-Mathis vid existed)'....
...
with this tired, flabby, puffy, shot specimen here..
...
I just know that the younger, fitter, quicker, vindictive counter pinching Quarry would have made things far more interesting vs Ken Norton...just sayin...
Jerry buckled Norton with a right at 1:46, then nearly decked Ken with a second right at 1:47, just as Johnny LoBianco is moving in to stop it (causing the referee to instantly retreat). Norton went on record as saying the hardest punch he delivered in his career was the right uppercut which cut JQ open. Slo-mo review shows Ken got everything into that uppercut, but it didn't buckle Jerry, who had none of the defensive elusiveness he beguiled Spencer with, and Norton hit him with everything.

JQ may have been Norton's career best performance, yet Jerry was still able to buckle him twice near the end. I see no way for Ken to withstand Jerry's firepower if JQ was anything like he was with Spencer. Jerry also moved well on Thad and Ken showed with Ali and Holmes that he didn't pull the trigger on moving targets. I can't see JQ standing still long enough for Norton to set and uncork his cut producing uppercut if Jerry's at his filmed best.

Quarry-Mathis is a holy grail of fight footage. We can extrapolate from the complete footage of Buster's previous outing with Chuvalo that Jerry virtually shut out the very best version of Buster who ever stepped foot in a ring. (We have the entirety of Mathis-Chuvalo and Frazier-Quarry I from MSG, so maybe hope can still spring eternal that Quarry-Mathis will turn up one day.)
 
Reactions: tommygun711

tommygun711

You don't have the capability for mayhem
Jun 4, 2013
13,319
4,574
30
Keith Thurman. Hasn't properly stopped anyone in years.
yeah this is true - its a shame because for a period of time I was a big fan of his. He looked good when he outboxed porter and garcia.

Injuries and inactivity seemed to screw up his career and by the time he fought Pacquiao he wasnt the same fighter as before, although he performed well vs Pacquiao.
 
Jun 14, 2012
14,001
6,572
yeah this is true - its a shame because for a period of time I was a big fan of his. He looked good when he outboxed porter and garcia.

Injuries and inactivity seemed to screw up his career and by the time he fought Pacquiao he wasnt the same fighter as before, although he performed well vs Pacquiao.
The injuries and time out of the ring killed his momentum. I was a big fan too but all the inactivity just fucking annoyed me even though it probably couldn't have been helped. Thurman often says what fight fans want to hear but not being able to get in the ring to show it wears thin.
 
Reactions: tommygun711