Fights where fighters have ended each other's careers.

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We often hear of fights where a fighter's career has been changed, often irreparably, by one fight - good example being Naseem Hamed/MAB, Hamed was never the same.

Are there any examples of fights where both fighters have had their careers pretty much finished. Ali-Frazier would be a halfway house as they both tried to kill each other. Gatti-Ward wouldn't work because Gatti went on way after this (I think without checking BoxRec)...but you get me idea. Any suggestions welcome.

Shoot CHB...
 
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Do these fights qualify or do you mean only fights where the losing fighter went on but never looked the same again?

Eubank vs WATSON II
Benn vs McCLELLAN
Gvodzyk vs STEVENSON
 
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Do these fights qualify or do you mean only fights where the losing fighter went on but never looked the same again?

Eubank vs WATSON II
Benn vs McCLELLAN
Gvodzyk vs STEVENSON
Some good shouts there. I haven't seen the last one (or I might have but can't remember it). The first two are good shouts. Do you think Eubank became gun shy after the Watson second fight?
 
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Some good shouts there. I haven't seen the last one (or I might have but can't remember it). The first two are good shouts. Do you think Eubank became gun shy after the Watson second fight?
I didn't at the time, in retrospect I'd say it must have affected him going forward but at the time I don't really recall that I noticed any difference but I was young then, I didn't watch boxing with the same eye I watch through now. But the Stevenson fight was recent and I think that definitely affected Gvodzyk, well, I know it did because he said so and now he's retired after a gunshy performance in his final fight.

I'd like to throw in Calzaghe vs LACY also as Lacy was 21-0 with 13 or 14 KO's before the fight and afterwards he managed just 1 KO in his last 11 fights, to be fair to him he fought better guys after Calzaghe compared to who he was fighting before but still, he was done after the Welshman beat him around the ring. Lacy was the true definition of a hype job although I still credit him for coming over and giving it a go
 
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I didn't at the time, in retrospect I'd say it must have affected him going forward but at the time I don't really recall that I noticed any difference but I was young then, I didn't watch boxing with the same eye I watch through now. But the Stevenson fight was recent and I think that definitely affected Gvodzyk, well, I know it did because he said so and now he's retired after a gunshy performance in his final fight.

I'd like to throw in Calzaghe vs LACY also as Lacy was 21-0 with 13 or 14 KO's before the fight and afterwards he managed just 1 KO in his last 11 fights, to be fair to him he fought better guys after Calzaghe compared to who he was fighting before but still, he was done after the Welshman beat him around the ring. Lacy was the true definition of a hype job although I still credit him for coming over and giving it a go
Were Gatti and Ward ever the same after their 3?

Were Castillo and Corrales the same after that first fight?

Two for you to think about.
 
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Collins - Resto

Simakov - Kovalev

Chavez Jr vs Martinez probably qualifies. I don’t think Jr was ever as dedicated to the sport after that. (Not that he was all that dedicated BEFOREHAND, either.)

Izu Igonoh vs Breazeale. - One of the most promising HW ever, ruined by a lousy trainer.

Margacheato - Cotto II.

Most of the guys that fought a prime Mike Tyson. Lol ….
 

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Not understanding the criteria here?

One fighter ending the other's career by retiring them?
 
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I can think of several where one fighter just didn't seem the same after a big loss, but I can't think of any fight where both fighters were so damaged they both went downhill afterwards.
 
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I can think of several where one fighter just didn't seem the same after a big loss, but I can't think of any fight where both fighters were so damaged they both went downhill afterwards.
I am struggling with this one.
 
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It's a toughie. I'd have said Ali - Frazier was a fight both tried to kill each other in, but there were other stuff for both fighters afterwards.

Even though Frazier won the first fight, he took a hell of a beating from Ali. Then Frazier's 2 subsequent fights with Ali and that destruction administered by Foreman took all the wind out of Joe's sails.

My thought is the "Thrilla in Manilla" was the hardest fight of both Ali and Frazier. It was stopped after the 14th round by Eddie Futch since Frazier was literally fighting blind that last round and Ali was so exhausted he commented after the fight, "That was the closest I've been to death" when the fight was over. I think that fight was the toughest of both their careers.
 
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Even though Frazier won the first fight, he took a hell of a beating from Ali. Then Frazier's 2 subsequent fights with Ali and that destruction administered by Foreman took all the wind out of Joe's sails.

My thought is the "Thrilla in Manilla" was the hardest fight of both Ali and Frazier. It was stopped after the 14th round by Eddie Futch since Frazier was literally fighting blind that last round and Ali was so exhausted he commented after the fight, "That was the closest I've been to death" when the fight was over. I think that fight was the toughest of both their careers.
I should watch that fight again. I sort of fell out with the heavy division some years ago, but I feel this one needs another look.
 
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I should watch that fight again. I sort of fell out with the heavy division some years ago, but I feel this one needs another look.
Ali probably would have had a better time with that fight but he felt his prior fights with Frazier and Joe's loss to Foreman took a lot out of him and Ali wasn't near as focused on that fight in Manilla.

He didn't train like he should have and was carrying on an extramarital affair openly at the time and often introducing his mistress as his wife. Well, his wife found out and headed over there to confront him. So he had a lot of distractions going on in his life prior to that fight.
 

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Raf Marquez and Israel Vazquez at the end of their quadrilogy is probably the most fitting example I can think of. Both were considered in or near the top 10 P4P when their series began. Vazquez retired after their final fight, Marquez continued to fight on but never really reached the same heights again.
 

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This brutal 15-round war between Sugar Ramos and challenger Floyd Robertson likely took a chunk out of both fighters.




Ramos suffered a beatdown in his next title defense, and although he would go on to challenge for another title at a higher weight, he was never a champion again.

Robertson got another crack at Ramos' conqueror, was blown out in 2 rounds, and then faded away.
 

Trail

R.I.P. Joe Rein
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Raf Marquez and Israel Vazquez at the end of their quadrilogy is probably the most fitting example I can think of. Both were considered in or near the top 10 P4P when their series began. Vazquez retired after their final fight, Marquez continued to fight on but never really reached the same heights again.
Hell, that's a good shout.