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The PDC Premier League has reached their concluding weeks and the 4 players who have made it to advance in the playoffs are:

Rob Cross vs. James Wade
Michael van Gerwyn vs. Daryl Gurney



Mensur Suljovic , Peter Wright, Michael Smith and Gerwyn Price didn't make the final cut.

Should be a couple of interesting matches next week.
 

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The PDC Premier League has reached their concluding weeks and the 4 players who have made it to advance in the playoffs are:

Rob Cross vs. James Wade
Michael van Gerwyn vs. Daryl Gurney



Mensur Suljovic , Peter Wright, Michael Smith and Gerwyn Price didn't make the final cut.

Should be a couple of interesting matches next week.
MVG still bossing the darts world...
 
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MVG still bossing the darts world...

He is definitely the guy to beat at most tournaments, but he has been vulnerable of late and has lost more than I've seen him in the past.

I've said all along, his style of play with that heavy lean, ridiculous amount of wrist snap at the end of his throw and the fact he's at least 50+ lbs. heavier than when he started his PDC journey, it was going to play hell on his joints over time. I don't see him having a long career like Phil Taylor had, playing into his mid 50's.
 
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The PDC Premier League has reached their concluding weeks and the 4 players who have made it to advance in the playoffs are:

Rob Cross vs. James Wade
Michael van Gerwyn vs. Daryl Gurney



Mensur Suljovic , Peter Wright, Michael Smith and Gerwyn Price didn't make the final cut.

Should be a couple of interesting matches next week.
Mensur Suljovic was in great form in the recent events I’ve watched, it’s a shame he’s out.
My pick would be Gurney from here. He’s beaten MVG 3 out of their last 4 matches and has looked very comfortable doing it.
From what I’ve seen this year Van Gerwyn’s success has come when he gets on a roll of 5,6,7 legs in a row but when someone beats him when he leads off he drops his bundle a little bit.
I’ve noticed lately that (when behind) he has been trying to start off his finishes with a bull with some success but if he misses the first dart he leaves himself stranded in the high 90’s/low hundreds.
 
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Hard to look past MvG but I wouldn't mind seeing Cross or Wade win it. Fuck Gurney.

Wade has been playing some very good darts this year as he's upped his leg on leg scoring to levels he's not done in the past. Plus he's one of the most opportunistic players if an opponent leaves an opening late in the game and he's on an out shot. They don't call him "The Machine" for nothing as he can often be very clinical in his game.

It would be a nice feather in the cap for Cross to also win this to go with his World Championship title he won 2 years ago, but if he and MVG meet up, the odds are against him to beat "Shrek". His head to head record against MVG is not all that impressive since he put him out of the World Championships the year Cross won the title.

Like you, I'm not too enamored with Gurney. There's just something about him that puts me off.
 
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Wade has been playing some very good darts this year as he's upped his leg on leg scoring to levels he's not done in the past. Plus he's one of the most opportunistic players if an opponent leaves an opening late in the game and he's on an out shot. They don't call him "The Machine" for nothing as he can often be very clinical in his game.

It would be a nice feather in the cap for Cross to also win this to go with his World Championship title he won 2 years ago, but if he and MVG meet up, the odds are against him to beat "Shrek". His head to head record against MVG is not all that impressive since he put him out of the World Championships the year Cross won the title.

Like you, I'm not too enamored with Gurney. There's just something about him that puts me off.
Is darts big in the US Gumbo? I wouldn't have thought so.
 
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Is darts big in the US Gumbo? I wouldn't have thought so.

No, not really. I got involved in league play back in the mid 80's and we had quite a large league with 4 divisions starting at Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze, with Platinum being the better of the lot. Then each main division had subdivisions like Gold 1, Gold 2 and so forth.

The current league is just a shell of what it once was with probably not more than 30 teams total in the entire league where there were that many in just one Division back in the day.

In my city, it is strictly steel tip, but soft tip has been getting a strong foothold in many communities. Plus, some areas don't even offer steel tip darts in public places due to our litigious society if some idiot gets hurt by a stray dart-------this happens a lot in college towns-----go figure. Pitchers of beer and sharp objects can lead to stupid things happening with college age kids.

There are still a lot of what passes for "Pro Tournaments" but it is nothing like what goes on in England and other parts of the world where the PDC puts on their form of darts. In the U.S. a typical tournament may have a prize pool payout of $10,000, but there are far too many different games that money is spread out over the course of a 3 day weekend. On Friday night there is typically a Blind Draw where you are partnered with anyone who signs up as it is all random.

Saturday will find 4-5 different events being held over the course of the day. There may be Men's Singles Cricket, Women's Singles Cricket, Men's Doubles Cricket, Women's Doubles Cricket and Mixed Triples Cricket and they all pay out money from the total prize pool.

Sunday's are usually the 501 side with Men's Singles 501, Women's Singles 501, Men's Doubles 501, Women's Doubles 501 etc.

So, with all these different events, the prize pool is not all that large when all of them get payouts for the winners and down to about 4th place.

The Men's Singles 501 winner may only take home about $1,000, and that is usually the largest payout over the tournament.

All that Cricket is killing the advancement of darts in the U.S. in my opinion. The entire rest of the world plays 501 in their big money events with the PDC pro tour leading the way as far as world class talent and big time payouts.

You would also be very hard pressed to find ANY dart coverage on sports channels, and that is why I subscribe to PDC Live to get streams for watching darts on a world class level.
 
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Wade has been playing some very good darts this year as he's upped his leg on leg scoring to levels he's not done in the past. Plus he's one of the most opportunistic players if an opponent leaves an opening late in the game and he's on an out shot. They don't call him "The Machine" for nothing as he can often be very clinical in his game.

It would be a nice feather in the cap for Cross to also win this to go with his World Championship title he won 2 years ago, but if he and MVG meet up, the odds are against him to beat "Shrek". His head to head record against MVG is not all that impressive since he put him out of the World Championships the year Cross won the title.

Like you, I'm not too enamored with Gurney. There's just something about him that puts me off.
Yeah Wade is probably playing some of the best darts of his career at the moment. Couple of years back people were saying he was finished as a challenger to win titles. He probably knew his steady game wasn't going to cut it against the likes of MvG and Anderson and he's upped it. Gurney is a prick. That shit he pulled against Whitlock was out of order and the shit last week seemed over the top though I suspect a lot more went on during the game that we didn't see.
 
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No, not really. I got involved in league play back in the mid 80's and we had quite a large league with 4 divisions starting at Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze, with Platinum being the better of the lot. Then each main division had subdivisions like Gold 1, Gold 2 and so forth.

The current league is just a shell of what it once was with probably not more than 30 teams total in the entire league where there were that many in just one Division back in the day.

In my city, it is strictly steel tip, but soft tip has been getting a strong foothold in many communities. Plus, some areas don't even offer steel tip darts in public places due to our litigious society if some idiot gets hurt by a stray dart-------this happens a lot in college towns-----go figure. Pitchers of beer and sharp objects can lead to stupid things happening with college age kids.

There are still a lot of what passes for "Pro Tournaments" but it is nothing like what goes on in England and other parts of the world where the PDC puts on their form of darts. In the U.S. a typical tournament may have a prize pool payout of $10,000, but there are far too many different games that money is spread out over the course of a 3 day weekend. On Friday night there is typically a Blind Draw where you are partnered with anyone who signs up as it is all random.

Saturday will find 4-5 different events being held over the course of the day. There may be Men's Singles Cricket, Women's Singles Cricket, Men's Doubles Cricket, Women's Doubles Cricket and Mixed Triples Cricket and they all pay out money from the total prize pool.

Sunday's are usually the 501 side with Men's Singles 501, Women's Singles 501, Men's Doubles 501, Women's Doubles 501 etc.

So, with all these different events, the prize pool is not all that large when all of them get payouts for the winners and down to about 4th place.

The Men's Singles 501 winner may only take home about $1,000, and that is usually the largest payout over the tournament.

All that Cricket is killing the advancement of darts in the U.S. in my opinion. The entire rest of the world plays 501 in their big money events with the PDC pro tour leading the way as far as world class talent and big time payouts.

You would also be very hard pressed to find ANY dart coverage on sports channels, and that is why I subscribe to PDC Live to get streams for watching darts on a world class level.
I'm going to sound really patronising here, Sir, but your knowledge of darts for someone from the USA astounds me.

I hear what you say about TV coverage of darts in the US. You wouldn't expect to get much in the US due to it being a niche sport. I'm surprised Fox Sports don't show it. Rupert Murdoch owns Sky TV (UK pay TV - Sky Sports) and they have the big ones. You'd think he'd stick it on your sports channels. I guess however your channels are dominated by MLB, NBA, MLB and NHL. Probably no space for darts.

If you don't mind me asking what does PDC Live cost you each month/year? No obligation to answer.
 

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I'm going to sound really patronising here, Sir, but your knowledge of darts for someone from the USA astounds me.

I hear what you say about TV coverage of darts in the US. You wouldn't expect to get much in the US due to it being a niche sport. I'm surprised Fox Sports don't show it. Rupert Murdoch owns Sky TV (UK pay TV - Sky Sports) and they have the big ones. You'd think he'd stick it on your sports channels. I guess however your channels are dominated by MLB, NBA, MLB and NHL. Probably no space for darts.

If you don't mind me asking what does PDC Live cost you each month/year? No obligation to answer.
Rupert Murdoch no longer has any stake in Sky TV. Comcast now owns it 100%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45654792
 
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I'm going to sound really patronising here, Sir, but your knowledge of darts for someone from the USA astounds me.

I hear what you say about TV coverage of darts in the US. You wouldn't expect to get much in the US due to it being a niche sport. I'm surprised Fox Sports don't show it. Rupert Murdoch owns Sky TV (UK pay TV - Sky Sports) and they have the big ones. You'd think he'd stick it on your sports channels. I guess however your channels are dominated by MLB, NBA, MLB and NHL. Probably no space for darts.

If you don't mind me asking what does PDC Live cost you each month/year? No obligation to answer.

It costs me between $75-80 U.S for a years subscription and that gets me more than 500 hours of coverage of PDC events. Stage and floor tournaments, the Premier League and the World Championships.

As for room on sport's channels, there's plenty of room for darts. Idiots on ESPN will televise the National Spelling Bee, Dominos, Lacrosse, skateboarding, FUCKING Bunghole tournaments and other off the wall crap, but not darts.
 
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Jesus gumbo America is mad. The only time I see cricket or Shanghai or any other game that isn't a traditional darts match played over here is when the actual matches are over. We might play shanghai or killers for a bit of craic at the very end of the night. Usually there might be 10 of us and we'll throw 2 quid in each. I don't even know how to play cricket and I'm playing league darts for 10 years. The idea of an actual cricket tournament would be laughed at here.
 
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No, not really. I got involved in league play back in the mid 80's and we had quite a large league with 4 divisions starting at Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze, with Platinum being the better of the lot. Then each main division had subdivisions like Gold 1, Gold 2 and so forth.

The current league is just a shell of what it once was with probably not more than 30 teams total in the entire league where there were that many in just one Division back in the day.

In my city, it is strictly steel tip, but soft tip has been getting a strong foothold in many communities. Plus, some areas don't even offer steel tip darts in public places due to our litigious society if some idiot gets hurt by a stray dart-------this happens a lot in college towns-----go figure. Pitchers of beer and sharp objects can lead to stupid things happening with college age kids.

There are still a lot of what passes for "Pro Tournaments" but it is nothing like what goes on in England and other parts of the world where the PDC puts on their form of darts. In the U.S. a typical tournament may have a prize pool payout of $10,000, but there are far too many different games that money is spread out over the course of a 3 day weekend. On Friday night there is typically a Blind Draw where you are partnered with anyone who signs up as it is all random.

Saturday will find 4-5 different events being held over the course of the day. There may be Men's Singles Cricket, Women's Singles Cricket, Men's Doubles Cricket, Women's Doubles Cricket and Mixed Triples Cricket and they all pay out money from the total prize pool.

Sunday's are usually the 501 side with Men's Singles 501, Women's Singles 501, Men's Doubles 501, Women's Doubles 501 etc.

So, with all these different events, the prize pool is not all that large when all of them get payouts for the winners and down to about 4th place.

The Men's Singles 501 winner may only take home about $1,000, and that is usually the largest payout over the tournament.

All that Cricket is killing the advancement of darts in the U.S. in my opinion. The entire rest of the world plays 501 in their big money events with the PDC pro tour leading the way as far as world class talent and big time payouts.

You would also be very hard pressed to find ANY dart coverage on sports channels, and that is why I subscribe to PDC Live to get streams for watching darts on a world class level.
Sounds very similar to Australia. Up until the mid 2000’s when they banned smoking in pubs and taxed alcohol sales to ludicrous levels there was a very high standard of darts here. My father used to run pubs and the local Thursday comp actually drew spectators.
These days “division 1” wouldn’t have even been 3rd grade 15 years ago.
 
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MVG beat Cross 11-5 in the final.

That's four Premier League titles in a row for Mighty Mike.
Yep, he made it look easy in the end. Cross did manage to get it close after being down 5-1 to pull to 5-4 and missed darts at a double to tie the score before the break and allowed MVG to go into the break up 6-4. Bad time for a break for Cross since he seemed to have gained some momentum. After the break it was all MVG for the title.

Still not a bad payday for Cross-------------------but a much better one for MVG. His total take for the win and coming in first place prior to the playoffs today totaled 275 Pounds . That's almost $350K U.S.