Formula 1 2020 Season (+ fantasy league)

Who will win the WDC?


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For those wanting more information about the upcoming season a little preview;

Haas Ferrari (engine):
Midfield team looking to fight for 4th fastest, buys parts from Ferrari including the engine (which may be nerfed this year as it was OP last year), let down by their drivers too often and struggled with tyre usage last year
Drivers:
Romain Grosjean-driver rating 7.5/10
fast but very inconsistent and makes too many costly mistakes
Kevin Magnussen-7.5/10
slightly slower but more consistent and pushes his luck on track in defending/car positioning, a danish menace

McLaren Renault (engine):
another team fighting for 4th fastest they have 2 young quick drivers
Drivers:
Carlos Sainz jr-8.5/10
Carlos is improving as a driver and seemed a notch under Verstappen as team mates
Lando Norris-8.5/10
Very young better in qualifying than the race, lots of time to improve

Alfa Romeo Ferrari (engine):
another midfield team
Drivers:
Kimi Raikkonen-8.5/10
Kimi is 40 and the oldest driver on the grid so has lost a bit of performance but is still a very safe pair of hands and the fairest driver wheel to wheel
Antonio Giovinazzi-7.5/10
Young and improving but hasn't shown enough to be rated higher imo

Alpha Tauri Honda (engine):
Red Bull's sister b-team tends to use last years Red Bull as a basis for their chassis so yet another perpetual midfield team
Drivers:
Daniil Kvyat-8/10
he has some performance in him but seems to lack to killer mental strength required
Pierre Gasly-8/10
he could be a 8.5/10 but he was terribly slow at Red Bull, he's much better in his current team which suggests a lack of adaptability and mental fortitude

Williams Mercedes (engine):
Williams are fucking shit but should be less shit this year
Drivers:
George Russell-8.5/10
Russell is my favourite young driver, he's quick, solid, very mature for his age and reminds me of the Jenson Button, Jackie Stewart type drivers, fairly smooth and consistent and we don't quite know if he is a 9/10 or above driver yet
Nicholas Latifi-8ish/10?
I know nothing about this rookie other than he started driving late and is improving every year, could surprise a few people in the future?

Racing Point Mercedes (engine):
Mercedes' unofficial b-team have copied championship winning Merc's chassis from last year providing a very solid base to begin the year, aiming for 4th God knows how this Pink Mercedes will perform come the first race in Australia
Drivers:
Sergio Perez-8.5/10
a very solid and consistent driver known for his excellent ability to keep the tyres in good shape, better in the race than qualifying as a result
Lance Stroll-7/10
slowest driver on the grid I'd say but he is strangely good in the wet and has excellent starts for some reason (probably cos he starts so far back)

Renault:
they have strong drivers and are a works team so should be fighting the top 3 but most likely won't
Drivers:
Daniel Ricciardo-9.3/10
this charismatic aussie has a killer instinct behind the smile, a touch slower than Max Verstappen but was more consistent, whether that's changed who knows
Esteban Ocon-8.5/10
young and fast Ocon was very similar to Perez in performance but has more potential possibly, i like him but he has his hands full against Ricciardo and a slight tendency to crash into team mates, also all these young guys are slightly hard to rate atm

Red Bull Honda (engine):
they have the genius Adrian Newey designing their car and the next king Max Verstappen driving it, looking odds on 2nd fastest and very close to the 1st (a tentative prediction btw)
Drivers:
Max Verstappen-9.6/10
Max is a beast and still so young, if he improves consistency even further and shows he can keep his head in championship battles he will dominate the sport, given the car to do so obviously, Alonso levels of talent
Alexander Albon-8.5/10
also young and likeable, overshadowed by his teammate but can still improve

Ferrari:
these italian wankers lack consistency in all things including consistently spilling their spaghetti everywhere, if the rumours of their engine being nerfed for being illegal are true (and they've built a new one for this year) it may just be pasta la vista for our over emotional Tifosi
Drivers:
Sebastian Vettel-9/10
4 time world champion and full time German, Sebastian Vettel is quick and ruthless but makes too many points losing mistakes
Charles Leclerc-9.2/10
young and fast, especially in qualifying, Charles is Max's biggest rival going forward

Mercedes:
the kings of Formula 1 Mercedes have continued to push innovation and performance even in this final year of regulations, introducing the DAS system which allows manual manipulation of front wheel toe angles allowing for an as of yet unknown level of performance, this year's favourites for the Championship though there are early signs of engine unreliability
Drivers:
Lewis Hamilton-10/10
Lewis is the king of formula 1 and looking to equal shoemaker's 7 WDC's this year and to break his 91 career wins, he is also the 2nd oldest driver on the grid so his form must dip at some point
Valtteri Bottas-8.7/10
underrated by some as he's against the potential GOAT Bottas is fast and fairly consistent on track, he has his preferred tracks and in comparison suffers at others, especially compared to Lewis but all together a solid driver and capable of winning the championship is Lewis' reliability is poor
 
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First day of the second week of testing started today. Racing Point's pace is apparently genuine according to Lando Norris.

Would be great to see the Pink Mercedes in Perez's hands; he can steal a podium any chance he gets, very opportunistic driver.
 
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I really havent been following testing. I think until we get the complete overhaul of regs in 2021 merc and lewis are likely set to win the wec and wcc combo yet again.

I understand mclaren have been reasonably quick as well.

Then ferrari will, even if close on pace needs to prove they wont trip over their dicks at every opportunity.
 
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Kind of confirms my initial thoughts. The big three remains the same with merc having the advantage. The one thing I do find noteworthy however is it appears ferrari ran some longer stunts perhaps suggesting they are better on the tires this year

This is a big if because well its testing, but if that is legit they could be really close to merc. We shall see. They have the power, if they can get better performance out of the tire they should would win races a d make for a more compelling season which would be nice for a change
 

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Kind of confirms my initial thoughts. The big three remains the same with merc having the advantage. The one thing I do find noteworthy however is it appears ferrari ran some longer stunts perhaps suggesting they are better on the tires this year

This is a big if because well its testing, but if that is legit they could be really close to merc. We shall see. They have the power, if they can get better performance out of the tire they should would win races a d make for a more compelling season which would be nice for a change
Ferrari may be better this year on tyres compared to last just on the basis of having more downforce. But yeah you're right their race stint looked good under Leclerc, how good we don't quite know but it certainly was reasonable.

Also, yesterday we had the FIA report of their investigation of Ferrari's 2019 power unit. Their conclusion was that they made a "settlement" behind closed doors with Ferrari...very suspicious but confirms what we suspected with regards to the illegality of the PU.

This is inline with what Andy Cowell of Mercedes said last December about how they now see Honda as their main competitor in 2020 as Ferrari will take a significant step back. These teams knew what was going on and only Mad Max had the audacity/balls to come out and call them cheaters.

Ferrar's lack of straight line speed in the tests so far add more evidence, plus Binotto and Vettel's comments about how draggy the car is. Last year, as in Singapore, they could pile on more downforce as their monster engine would go some way to negate the increased drag. No such tricks this year I believe.
 

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@ISTILLSPEAKUMTROOTH I like your optimistic vote for Leclerc winning the WDC. He's a great driver but will he have the car underneath him this year?

We can make our fantasy teams now btw. Anyone who fancies joining the league go ahead!
 
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@ISTILLSPEAKUMTROOTH I like your optimistic vote for Leclerc winning the WDC. He's a great driver but will he have the car underneath him this year?

We can make our fantasy teams now btw. Anyone who fancies joining the league go ahead!
Doubt it very much bud.

Ability is there although he has shown a few signs he is very green but I will be shocked if Ferrari has the consistency.

So many false dawns lately and haven't seen anything to say it will be different this season.

The vote was wishful thinking,would love a change or even a very serious challenge.

I know the majority will be sensible and go Hamilton who will be favourite again.

Looking forward to it though.
 
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I'd go with Bottas this year, Merc will lean his way until Hamilton signs a new contract and his car will be more reliable this year as well, just like Rosberg's winning year.
 
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I'd go with Bottas this year, Merc will lean his way until Hamilton signs a new contract and his car will be more reliable this year as well, just like Rosberg's winning year.
Bottas isnt rosberg. He may be a better racer but nico's pace in quali was legit. Or consistancy, every few weeks he shows up like a monster but more often he just doesnt have it unless he can really step up this year which would be fun to watch
 
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it's also true to say Hamilton is at that age when he's going to start slowing down. Qualifying was never his strongest point, and last year Bottas beat him over the season, so the early signs are there. I'd probably agree Bottas is not quite good enough to usurp him, but you never know.
 
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it's also true to say Hamilton is at that age when he's going to start slowing down. Qualifying was never his strongest point, and last year Bottas beat him over the season, so the early signs are there. I'd probably agree Bottas is not quite good enough to usurp him, but you never know.
Cant agree with that. He is literally the all time record holder in formula 1 when it comes to quali, his ratio is probably the greatest too. At least top 3, from memory.
 
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LH is a very strong quali driver, but last year he changed his approach in order to manage the tires for the race, which saw him almost half his average. (not discounting the pace of Leclerc)

Pole positions between drivers while LH has been at Merc.
2013 LH 05 NR 03
2014 LH 07 NR 11
2015 LH 11 NR 07
2016 LH 12 NR 08
2017 LH 11 VB 04
2018 LH 11 VB 02
2019 LH 05 VB 05

Also watched the 2nd season of Drive to survive on netflix and have developed a little soft spot for HAAS.

Looking at testing, Max is going to be very quick and Ferrari will be up there as well.
 
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LH is a very strong quali driver, but last year he changed his approach in order to manage the tires for the race, which saw him almost half his average. (not discounting the pace of Leclerc)

Pole positions between drivers while LH has been at Merc.
2013 LH 05 NR 03
2014 LH 07 NR 11
2015 LH 11 NR 07
2016 LH 12 NR 08
2017 LH 11 VB 04
2018 LH 11 VB 02
2019 LH 05 VB 05

Also watched the 2nd season of Drive to survive on netflix and have developed a little soft spot for HAAS.

Looking at testing, Max is going to be very quick and Ferrari will be up there as well.
I didn't say Hamilton was a bad qualifier, just that it wasn't this strongest point. He is a solid, good qualifier. Apart from when Bottas first joined, Hamilton has rarely, if ever, dominated a team mate in qualifying. Compare that to say Senna or Schumacher for example. On the other hand, he rarely gets out raced, he's a top tier racer. And deserves to be rated atg. Qualifying, not so much, imo.
 
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Cant agree with that. He is literally the all time record holder in formula 1 when it comes to quali, his ratio is probably the greatest too. At least top 3, from memory.
His stats are good in terms of poles, but of course he's had several years where he has effectively just beat his team mate to get pole. Rosberg was almost his equal in qualifying. He's not an atg qualifier, a common misconception to say he is, imo.
 

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So all seven non Ferrari powered teams have released a joint statement stating their displeasure with the FIA and Ferrari's closed door "settlement". It was bound to happen, far too suspicious and completely underhanded.

I suppose if the coronavirus causes other GP cancellations then at least we will have Ferrari+FIA's incompetence/possible illegal mishandling of the situation to talk about this season.
 
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So all seven non Ferrari powered teams have released a joint statement stating their displeasure with the FIA and Ferrari's closed door "settlement". It was bound to happen, far too suspicious and completely underhanded.

I suppose if the coronavirus causes other GP cancellations then at least we will have Ferrari+FIA's incompetence/possible illegal mishandling of the situation to talk about this season.
Why I cant be a ferrari fan amongst many other reasons. Like the road cars though
 
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Why I cant be a ferrari fan amongst many other reasons. Like the road cars though
It's a shame. Ferrari get 100million just for turning up plus a veto on regulations plus a history of preference from the FIA and they still feel the need to do things like this. Scumbag behaviour.

But anyway, still not 100% confirmed what they actually did and whether it is outright cheating but early signs point to something shady. Also rare to see all seven other teams in agreement about something and even more rare to see Mercedes and Red Bull so bullish about taking possible direct legal action, a direct challenge to the FIA's leadership and ruling. More circumstantial evidence as to Ferrari's guilt.

Though I will say one caveat here is that more blame rests at the feet of the FIA compared to Ferrari as it's their handling of the situation that has led us to this point and it's their responsibility to enforce the regulations in as objective a fashion as possible.
 
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First lap by Max round the new Zandvoort circuit;


I like the banking section though I see few opportunities for overtaking.
 
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It's a shame. Ferrari get 100million just for turning up plus a veto on regulations plus a history of preference from the FIA and they still feel the need to do things like this. Scumbag behaviour.

But anyway, still not 100% confirmed what they actually did and whether it is outright cheating but early signs point to something shady. Also rare to see all seven other teams in agreement about something and even more rare to see Mercedes and Red Bull so bullish about taking possible direct legal action, a direct challenge to the FIA's leadership and ruling. More circumstantial evidence as to Ferrari's guilt.

Though I will say one caveat here is that more blame rests at the feet of the FIA compared to Ferrari as it's their handling of the situation that has led us to this point and it's their responsibility to enforce the regulations in as objective a fashion as possible.
I like Ferrari but this stinks.

If it was something minor/rule bending, you would think it would be explained for what it was and clear the air.

The ways it's been handled sounds like it could be outright cheating and could have consequences for the FIA.As you say,if all 7 teams to go to town then there will be answers wanted.
 
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