Formula 1 2020 Season (+ fantasy league)

Who will win the WDC?


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ura

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You blokes who are more knowledgeable... when the 2021 (or is it 2022 now) cars come.... how much will that shake things up?
Difficult to say. Money is the most important factor and with the budget caps you'd assume much closer performance however there are ways around the budget cap for example utilising a separate part of the organisation not directly affiliated with F1 to invest in research and development.

Then you have quality of current personnel carrying over like James Allison for Mercedes or Adrian Newey for Red Bull along with inbuilt structural competence as with Mercedes. Not to mention driver's salaries not being regulated by the new budget limitations.

I'd say there will be a shake up to some extent, and you never know who will chance upon the next game changing innovation (double diffuser etc..), but I'd still put my money on one of Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull.
 
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Talk of them not doing the new regs until 2023 now because of costs and all this time lost

If that is the case then even though its totally unfair I think the FIA should find some way to fuck over Mercedes - 6 WDCs & Constructors in a row is a bit much but sticking with these regs for 3 more years that will quite likely become 9 in a row which is kind of ridiculous and bad for the sport

Its hard to say whether there will even be a season at all this year but if they do manage to start Id love to see them try and salvage the season a bit by doing a load of races at tracks they dont normally use in europe so would save them travelling the world and having to use air and sea travel etc - its gonna take something dramatic and outside the box to get something approaching a decent season
 
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ura

Feb 25, 2020
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Esport virtual Grand Prix is starting now;


LeClerc, Russell, Lando, Albon, Button, Davidson, Ben Stokes(!). Should be a little fun.
 
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:lol:

i reckon they must have gone down a drain or something, 1 might be sold quiet, but 2 is stretching belief.
Were both lost though?

I can't make out what happened to the second.

Christian Klien crashed on lap one so make sense his one could of been thrown off and rolled away somewhere. But I just watched a few laps of the race, linked below, and Mark Webber who also had the diamond retired with gearbox problems. He slowed his car parked safely and was pushed off the circuit. He didn't take any damage that would have cause the diamond to fall off the car.

Though they apparently had the diamond mounted all weekend. Maybe something went wrong and it was lost in practise. But surely that would have made them rethink the idea of keeping the diamonds on the other car for the full race!

 
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Esport virtual Grand Prix is starting now;


LeClerc, Russell, Lando, Albon, Button, Davidson, Ben Stokes(!). Should be a little fun.
watched some highlights recently aNd have to say it was epic. Never been a fan of watching people play online games but this is something else.
 
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kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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Were both lost though?

I can't make out what happened to the second.

Christian Klien crashed on lap one so make sense his one could of been thrown off and rolled away somewhere. But I just watched a few laps of the race, linked below, and Mark Webber who also had the diamond retired with gearbox problems. He slowed his car parked safely and was pushed off the circuit. He didn't take any damage that would have cause the diamond to fall off the car.

Though they apparently had the diamond mounted all weekend. Maybe something went wrong and it was lost in practise. But surely that would have made them rethink the idea of keeping the diamonds on the other car for the full race!

i thought it said both cars had 2 diamonds. if it was only 1 then def a marshall might have got it.
 
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ura

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watched some highlights recently aNd have to say it was epic. Never been a fan of watching people play online games but this is something else.
Yeah I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would. Great seeing all the drivers competing in equal machinery (though obviously you can't draw too many real life conclusions from it). George Russell is my favourite up and coming driver (along with Max) so good to see him.

The Baku race is this Sunday mate. We have Albon, Leclerc, Russell, Norris, Giovinazzi, Latifi as usual and Gasly and Perez are joining too. I love how they put the whole race on youtube after so if you miss it you're sound, unlike actual F1.
 
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Yeah I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would. Great seeing all the drivers competing in equal machinery (though obviously you can't draw too many real life conclusions from it). George Russell is my favourite up and coming driver (along with Max) so good to see him.

The Baku race is this Sunday mate. We have Albon, Leclerc, Russell, Norris, Giovinazzi, Latifi as usual and Gasly and Perez are joining too. I love how they put the whole race on youtube after so if you miss it you're sound, unlike actual F1.
Great point about all having the same ‘machinery’. I suppose it’s the closest it could ever be; F1 is 10% driver skill, 90% car.
 

ura

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So F1 is back next weekend in Austria. Fantasy League is still up; https://fantasygp.com/
so far we have 7 teams in our league, hope you all have remembered your login details.

Anyway, so what has changed since the false start earlier this year? And what should we be looking for and expecting in Austria?

Well for one, most teams will be bringing some manner of update to the car's chassis. Usually the teams have a major update in time for the Spanish Grand Prix which is about the 4th race of the season, but with the shut down there's been less progression obviously.

Winter testing suggested that Mercedes were around 1-2 tenths ahead of Red Bull, who in turn had a good lead over Ferrari with Racing Point nipping at the Italian's heels. Obvious caveat being it was just testing but with limited data to go on...

Anyway so what we did find out was that Mercedes had 6 engine failures in 6 days in testing. They've now had time to rectify this, whether they've succeeded or not who knows. If they haven't then this unreliability combined with the decreased amount of races this year makes for an exciting prospect.

Austria historically has favoured the Honda of Red Bull, owing to the high altitude. Mercedes engines overheat and therefore have had to run at lower power modes. So, if the trend continues don't be surprised to see Max on the top step.

Racing Point enter this season with last years Mercedes' chassis, or a very close approximation. So don't be surprised to see them fighting at the front of the midfield, competitive even with the Ferrari(?).

The issue for them however is cars at the beginning of the year are not the same as at the end of the year. They develop at an alarming rate as a result of the vast sums of money funneled into Research and Development. Racing Point don't have these funds, they have more than previous with Billionaire Laurence Stroll in charge but all in all I expect them to start very strong and fade more as the season progresses.

Obviously performance will fluctuate relative to each track so I imagine Racing Point will do better at heavier downforce circuits as opposed to your Monza's. The Mercedes chassis last year had the most downforce but less aerodynamic efficiency compared to previous years. You can see an example of relative drag levels in Hamilton's race to the line will Alpha Tauri's Gasly in Brazil. You'd expect them to be in optimal engine modes anyway.

Anyway, in other news Williams have a new livery;

Looks okay I suppose. Too much white, not enough blue. Plus it screams backmarker. Just like the Haas; shit livery will forever lock it into the midfield. Fact.
 
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That race went from the very shittiest of viewing to the last 20 laps being superb.

Was ready for turning off until Merc had issues and then it was a demolition derby.Gutted for Albone,second time that shit has done him and well deserves the 5 second pen.

Unless things change dramatically i'm dreading the remaining races although the pack gave some exciting moments for sure.
 
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That race went from the very shittiest of viewing to the last 20 laps being superb.

Was ready for turning off until Merc had issues and then it was a demolition derby.Gutted for Albone,second time that shit has done him and well deserves the 5 second pen.

Unless things change dramatically i'm dreading the remaining races although the pack gave some exciting moments for sure.
Looks like I got luck as I only tuned in with about 25 laps to go.

In brighter news, it looks like God has remembered he hates fags.
 
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Finally just watched the first race.
Surely it is Mercedes/Hamiltons championship to lose.

The merecdes looked bloody quick. The only reason anyone got within coo-eee of them was the safety cars at the end and Bottas and Hamilton gearbox problems and staying on the hard tyres.

Had it not been for that they would have maintained the gap on everyone right to the checkered flag.

Shame not to get a chance to see how Verstappen would have gone but even he mentioned in an interview Bottas was quick and that he was confident of a podium but not a win.

Thought it was a good race by Leclerc. Workman like just kept pushing the whole way through to get on pole. Vettel shitted it. Maybe the Ferraris have gone to shit but I didn't expect to see him so far back for so long. He was behind the Kvyat for ages. He should have been able to make it past some of those lower order guys surely.

Thought Ocon looked good as well. Could Ricciardo be pushed by his team mate this year?

McClaren still the best of the rest.
 
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ura

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Finally just watched the first race.
Surely it is Mercedes/Hamiltons championship to lose.

The merecdes looked bloody quick. The only reason anyone got within coo-eee of them was the safety cars at the end and Bottas and Hamilton gearbox problems and staying on the hard tyres.

Had it not been for that they would have maintained the gap on everyone right to the checkered flag.

Shame not to get a chance to see how Verstappen would have gone but even he mentioned in an interview Bottas was quick and that he was confident of a podium but not a win.

Thought it was a good race by Leclerc. Workman like just kept pushing the whole way through to get on pole. Vettel shitted it. Maybe the Ferraris have gone to shit but I didn't expect to see him so far back for so long. He was behind the Kvyat for ages. He should have been able to make it past some of those lower order guys surely.

Thought Ocon looked good as well. Could Ricciardo be pushed by his team mate this year?

McClaren still the best of the rest.
You summed it up well there mate. Mercedes' main weakness has tended toward James Vowles' startegy calls. They always go for the equality call, refusing to split strats to ensure neither driver ends up with the better call (in situations like Sunday's Safety Car). It's not even optimal for Constructors points either, as if Lewis didn't collide with Albon then Albon would have won the race, clearly.

If they had pitted one of the Mercs it was a guaranteed 25 points and win and probably 3rd for the other Mercedes; better than a 2-3. Losing track position would be fine as the softs were 1.5 seconds faster than the used hards at that point.

Ocon looked ok I think. I like him and rate him highly but I think Danny Ric is on another level tbh. Not massively, but he'll always have a tenth or two over him, consistently.

Anyway, qualy looks doubtful tomorrow with too much rain (can there be such a thing?!) but lets hope we get some running. Nothing's better than a wet session.
 
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You summed it up well there mate. Mercedes' main weakness has tended toward James Vowles' startegy calls. They always go for the equality call, refusing to split strats to ensure neither driver ends up with the better call (in situations like Sunday's Safety Car). It's not even optimal for Constructors points either, as if Lewis didn't collide with Albon then Albon would have won the race, clearly.

If they had pitted one of the Mercs it was a guaranteed 25 points and win and probably 3rd for the other Mercedes; better than a 2-3. Losing track position would be fine as the softs were 1.5 seconds faster than the used hards at that point.

Ocon looked ok I think. I like him and rate him highly but I think Danny Ric is on another level tbh. Not massively, but he'll always have a tenth or two over him, consistently.

Anyway, qualy looks doubtful tomorrow with too much rain (can there be such a thing?!) but lets hope we get some running. Nothing's better than a wet session.

Looks like Norris got a penalty for a yellow flag and Hamilton gets third now?

Very odd for them to make the penalty a week later.
 

ura

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Looks like Norris got a penalty for a yellow flag and Hamilton gets third now?

Very odd for them to make the penalty a week later.
Ah no mate Norris got a penalty in this week's practice session, so starts this Sunday's race 3 places down.

Having two Austrian GPs in a row 1 week apart is confusing, but the more F1 the better I suppose.
 
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Ah no mate Norris got a penalty in this week's practice session, so starts this Sunday's race 3 places down.

Having two Austrian GPs in a row 1 week apart is confusing, but the more F1 the better I suppose.
Ahh, fuck me. I thought it was for last week. I was raging for a few hours there. That's still not bad then.
 
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