Formula 1 2021 Season Thread

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Who will win the WDC?

  • Charles Leclerc

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  • Valterri Bottas

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  • Daniel Ricciardo

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  • Spinbastian Vettel

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  • Carlos Sainz Jr

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  • Fernando Alonso

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Haas just needs to give up at this point.

So when they first entered the sport they did very well for a first year team. America still had an independent broadcast and they were hyped endlessly as America's team. Problem was, it couldn't be further from the truth, there is nothing American about that team beyond the owner.

I think haas made a proper decision to go with Grosjean initially, you need some experience. Of course Gutierrez was forced upon them by Ferrari so that is out of their control. But never looking at an American has clearly fucked the team to a place where they are now carrying a Russian flag for sponsorship due to their bum pay driver.

I like k mag, but that should have been an American in that seat. I'm pretty damn sure haas would have a better shot at finding American sponsorship had he made that move.

Sure as hell doesn't help with steiner"s comments about American drivers either.

Oh well fuck em. I'm a McLaren fan anyway, always have been. Way more merica in that team.

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What's the scoops with the weekend testing so far bud?

Watched a wee bit yesterday but folk were in so couldn't hear a thing.

Who's looking to have the car so far although obviously early days.
Good question. Well to begin as with any pre season testing you have to take all of it with a pinch of salt, though it's very easy, and fun, to get carried away. So let's do that.

But before that the main piece of data I'd say that can really inform you as to relative performance pace is the race sims as they have predictable fuel loads (as they're supposed to be simulating the race) and quality data on tyre drops off. With the relatively stable variable of fuel loads known, it's slightly easier to predict outright performance in other areas. Anyway;

Mercedes-
The car looks very difficult to drive. Either a consequence of rear instability caused by the reduction in rear downforce this year or an inability to get the new 2021 tyres to work in the optimal operating window. Or both. The pace looks midfield, but that means very little so far, and I don't think they did a proper race sim. There's definite issues with the Merc it's just a question of how severe and how long to fix. The reliability, as nezy mentioned, is a slight worry too.

Red Bull-
Looks stable, fast and the outright best car. Max did no race sim on the final day either, but I think Perez did on the 2nd day, looked strong. The new Honda PU maybe working wonders and Alpha Tauri look very impressive too. Once Merc fix their issues (*if they do) it will be interesting.

McLaren look strong too partly it seems as a result of their new diffuser. They've found a little loophole. Other teams I think can copy it. Danny Ric's race sim looked very good. Difficult to compare to Perez as done on different days. Looking the 2nd best so far.

Btw Mercedes always look crap in testing, relative to how strong they really are, but this time they're even worse. The pre season limits on testing and budget cap maybe hampering them, plus the new regulations hitting them harder? Maybe low rake cars like Mercedes are hit harder, contrary to what some suspected? Aston Martin have a low rake Merc-esque car and they look...average so far.

Alpha Tauri look strong, Ferrari maybe midfield. As I said, take all this with a pinch of salt. Based on all this ambiguous data I'll give my predictions on rankings by the first race;

Red Bull
Mercedes (biggest question mark)
McLaren
Alpha Tauri/Alpine/Ferrari/Aston Martin
Alfa Romeo
Williams
Haas

You'd obviously assume Merc will get on top of things but past success is maybe clouding some people's view of how strong Merc are right now. The testing honestly made them look midfield other than Bottas' race sim which looked strong. Not saying they are midfield, they're probably still the fastest, but stranger things have happened and they may just have slipped up a little this year.

Disclaimer: everything I've said could be complete nonsense and I'll most likely contradict it all soon. I'll go try and find if Marc Priestly has done a video yet on it, he's my favourite pundit on these things, very level headed. He usually says "calm down, it's just testing, wait 3-4 races to see the pecking order".
 

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But yeah Mercedes probably still fastest just trying to find the right setup.

I should have just said that tbh.
 

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Shovlin:

We've made a bit of progress with the balance on higher fuel and the car was more predictable but we can see from the data we've collected over the last few days that on race pace, we're not as quick as Red Bull," Shovlin said.

"The lower fuel work was a more confusing picture, we didn't gain enough and we need to go and look at our approach as far too many cars were ahead of us on pace today.

"We've had issues in recent years with pace in winter testing and managed to make good progress before the first race but we may have our work cut out this time.

"We've not got long before we're back here for the race so we've planned a programme of work to try and understand some of our issues and will be leaving no stone unturned in our efforts to find some more speed over the next 10 days."
 

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we all know who wins.

(in case you need it)clue, it will be the same people who have been winning everything for almost a decade.

and when ferrari doesn't win it is still fucking hilarious, how much shit do you need in your favour and you still can't win?

ultimatley, financial bullshit means 2 or 3 teams can win, out of them mercedes has by far the best thing going and will win. great season.
 
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But yeah Mercedes probably still fastest just trying to find the right setup.

I should have just said that tbh.
Cheers for that.

As you say,early days but teams have a lot more to contend with this season and i think the cap with hamper Merc quite a bit.

I really want Red Bull to get their shit together and they are always making progress but thern Merc seems to find that extra again.Max in a consistently quick car will be a nightmare to deal with imo and he has that maverick side that's a bit unpredictable.

Ferrari should just throw the towel in.Few years now i've hoped this is the car but always a huge let down.

Overall think this could be a more mixed season but again,Merc could absolutely woodshed everyone again.
 
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we all know who wins.

(in case you need it)clue, it will be the same people who have been winning everything for almost a decade.

and when ferrari doesn't win it is still fucking hilarious, how much shit do you need in your favour and you still can't win?

ultimatley, financial bullshit means 2 or 3 teams can win, out of them mercedes has by far the best thing going and will win. great season.
I suppose the one thing we can cling on to is that boring as team dominance is, inevitably it comes to an end. Eventually.

In my time watching F1 I think there's been more periods of a dominant team than otherwise, despite the organisers - and maybe the governing body - claiming they want otherwise.

It's hard to imagine Mercedes turning to shit but Ferrari, Williams and McLaren to name three have gone from being unassailable to being at times embarrassing for lengthy periods.

Whether anyone is still watching at that point is another question, though. I don't have hard data on viewing figures to back it up but my sense is a lot of people have become disillusioned by the politicisation of the sport and the weird imperative to bend to the environmental psychos and try to save Gaia from those murderous, polluting humans.
 
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I suppose the one thing we can cling on to is that boring as team dominance is, inevitably it comes to an end. Eventually.

In my time watching F1 I think there's been more periods of a dominant team than otherwise, despite the organisers - and maybe the governing body - claiming they want otherwise.

It's hard to imagine Mercedes turning to shit but Ferrari, Williams and McLaren to name three have gone from being unassailable to being at times embarrassing for lengthy periods.

Whether anyone is still watching at that point is another question, though. I don't have hard data on viewing figures to back it up but my sense is a lot of people have become disillusioned by the politicisation of the sport and the weird imperative to bend to the environmental psychos and try to save Gaia from those murderous, polluting humans.
it is very boring atm, but i would have less of an issue if the financial stuff was even a little bit balanced. the rules make it so that only a handfull of teams can compete. atm only one of those teams has competence, it just makes for shit sport.

tbf to f1 they have created a bunch of fuel efficiency tech that will benefit everyone.
 

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it is very boring atm, but i would have less of an issue if the financial stuff was even a little bit balanced. the rules make it so that only a handfull of teams can compete. atm only one of those teams has competence, it just makes for shit sport.

tbf to f1 they have created a bunch of fuel efficiency tech that will benefit everyone.
It's very true that F1, by it's nature, has always been at the forefront of technology development and there has been a trickle down into consumer products.

Not in the future if the green loons get their way, though. They won't be satisfied until the whole world is a giant Amish community and no fucker will be driving anything faster or less green than a donkey.
 
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I suppose the one thing we can cling on to is that boring as team dominance is, inevitably it comes to an end. Eventually.

In my time watching F1 I think there's been more periods of a dominant team than otherwise, despite the organisers - and maybe the governing body - claiming they want otherwise.

It's hard to imagine Mercedes turning to shit but Ferrari, Williams and McLaren to name three have gone from being unassailable to being at times embarrassing for lengthy periods.

Whether anyone is still watching at that point is another question, though. I don't have hard data on viewing figures to back it up but my sense is a lot of people have become disillusioned by the politicisation of the sport and the weird imperative to bend to the environmental psychos and try to save Gaia from those murderous, polluting humans.
I dont know man, unless you go back to the 70's, and even the politics have played a huge role in the sport. Wasn't it Renault that wanted the v6's anyway? I know in indycar for example honda didn't want to make a race engine a v8 if they have none in the production models.

We all miss the sounds, I know most love the v10 eara but I loved the early 90's when you had a mix of engines and sounds. I loved those Ford v8's and especially the Ferrari v12 and of course Renaults v10.

I think the racing is pretty great right now. Problem is up front its been a massive run away for years now. I'm not sure the relative gap is that much larger than the past but mercedes reliability is so good that once Hamilton checks out the story is over from then.
 

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I dont know man, unless you go back to the 70's, and even the politics have played a huge role in the sport. Wasn't it Renault that wanted the v6's anyway? I know in indycar for example honda didn't want to make a race engine a v8 if they have none in the production models.

We all miss the sounds, I know most love the v10 eara but I loved the early 90's when you had a mix of engines and sounds. I loved those Ford v8's and especially the Ferrari v12 and of course Renaults v10.

I think the racing is pretty great right now. Problem is up front its been a massive run away for years now. I'm not sure the relative gap is that much larger than the past but mercedes reliability is so good that once Hamilton checks out the story is over from then.
Don't get me wrong, that's exactly my point. Dominance by one team for lengthy periods is very much part of the history of F1 but I was saying it doesn't last, any more than political empires and dynasties do. The only question is how long does that dominance last, not will it end at some point. And the politics I was talking about isn't the chicanery of cunts like Balestre, it's the bullshit that mong Hamilton won't shut the fuck up about.

As for the souunds - and sights - there isn't a better representation of all that was great about what I see as part of the golden age of F1 than that in-car lap of Senna at Monaco. :yep
 
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Don't get me wrong, that's exactly my point. Dominance by one team for lengthy periods is very much part of the history of F1 but I was saying it doesn't last, any more than political empires and dynasties do. The only question is how long does that dominance last, not will it end at some point. And the politics I was talking about isn't the chicanery of cunts like Balestre, it's the bullshit that mong Hamilton won't shut the fuck up about.

As for the souunds - and sights - there isn't a better representation of all that was great about what I see as part of the golden age of F1 than that in-car lap of Senna at Monaco. :yep
Can't disagree with any of that.

I haven't been folling testing that closely but it seems the gap to red bull at least may have narrowed. Cant take much away from pace which is why I don't follow it but if you're losing track time to reliability you have problems.

Proof is always in the pudding come the first race
 
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it's the first race, so what if 1 race doesn't favour the obvious champ winner? we all know the result of the championship, we could have called it in 2015 ffs.
Um. You get a way better idea first race than trying to make any sort of guess out of testing. Cars change with updates and Adelaide is a bit of an outlier as well but you get my drift
 

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What do you lads reckon about a fantasy/prediction game for this season?

My initial idea was that we predict the top 3 each race, plus the pole sitter.

Pole-4

1st-10
2nd-8
3rd-6

Fastest lap-2

For a total of 30 points max per race. Simple and easy to keep track of. Maybe wipe the fastest lap and do 6 points for pole?

Who's interested?