Frank Warren - Fury bigger draw than Joshua

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All decent points.

I think everyone forgets how big the Wlad win was and also how unexpected.

Fury was 4th in SPOTY in 2015 IIRC.

I suppose it is hard to quantify as to how popular/marketable Fury was in 15 compared to now. I would suggest he was the bigger draw in 15 due to the reasons listed above.

Hopefully, we will see soon if the Wilder fight gets made on UK shores.
It is hard to quantify. We can only really speculate. Perhaps one of us is misremembering how popular he was back then. The bt ppv numbers will give us a good indication imo. 5am fight on ppv if it hits decent numbers then we can gage that against his wlad ppv numbers back then
 
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Can you imagine Joshua on the Joe Rogan podcast? Hahahahhaha.

Most US residents would turn it off after 5 minutes.
Agree. He’s got no personality. I think it’s amazing really that he’s drawing 80,000 to stadiums over here. I struggle to relate to him
 
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Agree. He’s got no personality. I think it’s amazing really that he’s drawing 80,000 to stadiums over here. I struggle to relate to him
I can't relate to him myself, he's always talking about money and mixing promotional matters with his fights when he does interviews. Leave that bullshit to the promotors and speak your fucking mind, be you. That is the thing about Fury he's the man in the pub sitting next to you at the bar having a pint, the peoples champion.
 
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Being/having a personality is, in my opinion, overrated in boxing. Lennox is my favourite fighter, he wasn't the biggest personality was he?

I love boxing as I love to watch two grown men fight. I understand that it make it easier to relate to a certain fighter but surely people can overlook personality traits if they love a certain fighter's fighting style.

Let's be honest, AJ has always been a much more exciting fighter to watch than Fury, although Fury's last fight was pretty exciting.
 

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Being/having a personality is, in my opinion, overrated in boxing. Lennox is my favourite fighter, he wasn't the biggest personality was he?

I love boxing as I love to watch two grown men fight. I understand that it make it easier to relate to a certain fighter but surely people can overlook personality traits if they love a certain fighter's fighting style.

Let's be honest, AJ has always been a much more exciting fighter to watch than Fury, although Fury's last fight was pretty exciting.
I don’t think that’s true. Fury’s been in many good fights albeit most were down to him not been in great shape such as both McDermott fights, Chisora 1, Firtha, Pajkic, Wilder, Cunningham.

Joshua just tends to blow inferior opposition away which I don’t really see as exciting. Whyte & Povetkin were decent & the Klitschko fight was brilliant, beyond that I can’t think of an exciting Joshua fight
 
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Can you imagine Joshua on the Joe Rogan podcast? Hahahahhaha.

Most US residents would turn it off after 5 minutes.
All he seems to be capable of is regurgitating what Hearn fills him up with about splits and percentages, and even then he loses the thread and gets himself in a tangle.
 

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I can't relate to him myself, he's always talking about money and mixing promotional matters with his fights when he does interviews. Leave that bullshit to the promotors and speak your fucking mind, be you. That is the thing about Fury he's the man in the pub sitting next to you at the bar having a pint, the peoples champion.
Ye he’s all a bit media trained & Lewis Hamilton-like for me
 
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I don’t think that’s true. Fury’s been in many good fights albeit most were down to him not been in great shape such as both McDermott fights, Chisora 1, Firtha, Pajkic, Wilder, Cunningham.

Joshua just tends to blow inferior opposition away which I don’t really see as exciting. Whyte & Povetkin were decent & the Klitschko fight was brilliant, beyond that I can’t think of an exciting Joshua fight
Checking back on Boxrec, you may be correct. Maybe the two Wlad fights cloud my judgement (Fury boring me to tears and AJ having me off my feet during the Wlad fights). Also, I do find knockouts exciting too. I enjoyed the Povetkin fight too.

I am loathe to include a 'not fit or in condition Fury' into any fight list to be honest, a pro boxer should always be in good shape for a fight.
 
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Not sure if he is a bigger draw than Joshua. But I don’t blame Frank one bit for trying to claim he is.

Post-Wlad, Fury didn’t get the attention / respect he deserved. But with the Wilder chapter he really has managed to create a formidable profile for himself. I wouldn’t argue with anyone if they said he is now just as recognised as Joshua. And I would definitely agree with them if they said his name in the US is much stronger.

If Fury had the same marketing machine that AJ’s team has, I’m convinced he’d sell out Wembley (with a Wilder fight) quicker than AJ would - given his [Fury’s] history and controversy with Wilder in the first fight.

But with that said, I think AJ probably has more potential for longevity (on the topic of being the biggest draw). Reason being, despite his boring personality, his fists do the talking in the ring and will likely always satisfy the punters. Fury, on the other hand, may sell a fight and come across much better in interviews, but will eventually get found out when he delivers a performance that doesn’t quite match the excitement of his talk.
 
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Not sure if he is a bigger draw than Joshua. But I don’t blame Frank one bit for trying to claim he is.

Post-Wlad, Fury didn’t get the attention / respect he deserved. But with the Wilder chapter he really has managed to create a formidable profile for himself. I wouldn’t argue with anyone if they said he is now just as recognised as Joshua. And I would definitely agree with them if they said his name in the US is much stronger.

If Fury had the same marketing machine that AJ’s team has, I’m convinced he’d sell out Wembley (with a Wilder fight) quicker than AJ would - given his [Fury’s] history and controversy with Wilder in the first fight.

But with that said, I think AJ probably has more potential for longevity (on the topic of being the biggest draw). Reason being, despite his boring personality, his fists do the talking in the ring and will likely always satisfy the punters. Fury, on the other hand, may sell a fight and come across much better in interviews, but will eventually get found out when he delivers a performance that doesn’t quite match the excitement of his talk.
AJ is either going to get iced by Wilder or schooled by Fury or probably both if both fights happen, his stock is already dwindling due to his reluctancy to be in the big fights and the shite him and Hearn have been talking from the time Wilder was mentioned right up until now, even the casuals on social media are seeing through the bullshit. He will still do big numbers but I honestly his success has peaked and it will be all down hill from here.
 
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AJ is either going to get iced by Wilder or schooled by Fury or probably both if both fights happen, his stock is already dwindling due to his reluctancy to be in the big fights and the shite him and Hearn have been talking from the time Wilder was mentioned right up until now, even the casuals on social media are seeing through the bullshit. He will still do big numbers but I honestly his success has peaked and it will be all down hill from here.
I agree that his stock has taken a hit in 2018 - largely due to Fury's return.

But he has a clever promoter with a powerful TV network which, combined, seems to have captured the hardcore-casuals market - who in turn have a greater influence on the opinions of the normal casuals. These zombies will lap up whatever Sky/Matchroom script up. They'll keep their narrative and in-house matchups going for as long as it takes.

As for whether he'll hit a brick wall against Wilder and Fury, I'm not sure. I'm not convinced he'll lose to Wilder (though they were/are scared of him). But Fury's comeback (how good he looked) did surprise me I'm not sure AJ beats him as easily as I initially thought.
 
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AJ is either going to get iced by Wilder or schooled by Fury or probably both if both fights happen, his stock is already dwindling due to his reluctancy to be in the big fights and the shite him and Hearn have been talking from the time Wilder was mentioned right up until now, even the casuals on social media are seeing through the bullshit. He will still do big numbers but I honestly his success has peaked and it will be all down hill from here.
Forget Wilder. Forget Fury. AJ is the Hearn's cash cow and they will continue to use him to fill Wembley twice a year and live comfortably off the proceeds. Why take the risk with Wilder who could knock him out or Fury who would school him?
 
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Forget Wilder. Forget Fury. AJ is the Hearn's cash cow and they will continue to use him to fill Wembley twice a year and live comfortably off the proceeds. Why take the risk with Wilder who could knock him out or Fury who would school him?
AJs nexts fights are Dillion Whyte and Big baby Miller, both will be in Wembley. Usyk is a possibility but doubtful, after that where does he go? People aren’t interested in watching these shit fights, Fury or Wilder is the fight people want to see and the longer that doesn’t happen the more irrelevant AJ will become.
 
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AJs nexts fights are Dillion Whyte and Big baby Miller, both will be in Wembley. Usyk is a possibility but doubtful, after that where does he go? People aren’t interested in watching these shit fights, Fury or Wilder is the fight people want to see and the longer that doesn’t happen the more irrelevant AJ will become.
I think if it's Miller the fight is likely to take place in New York

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/11602722/jarrell-miller-awaits-response-from-anthony-joshua-about-potential-world-title-fight-in-new-york
 
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