Freedom of speech

[Jack]

So the last couple of days have seen a massive amount of pressure from social media sites to clamp down on free speech. The obvious headline of the story is Donald Trump being banned from Facebook and Twitter, which is absurd considering the fact he's still the American president, but it sadly doesn't end there. Other conservatives have been deplatformed from social media websites, the Reddit Donald Trump forum has been removed, there are appeals to have r/Conservative removed, Google has suspended Parler from it's Google Store and US politicians are already talking about a "Patriot Act 2.0", which will be censorship under the guise of protecting people after the scenes in America earlier in the week.

This is just...appalling to see. People will turn this into a 'left vs. right' issue but it's not about that, which is why people like Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi and Edward Snowden are against what is happening right now. This is about thoughtcrime.


I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that these are privately owned companies and they should be able to ban whatever they want, but this is an unrealistic opinion that ignores the cultural influence that the dominant social media sites have on our society. Would people so willingly turn the other cheek if this was about targeting atheism? Of course not. The people who say nothing are those who are happy to see their side winning but freedom of speech is not a left or right issue, it's a fundamental human right that should always be defended.

 

[SwollenGoat]

boo hoo

trup got banned form the platform he threatened to silence because he was butthurt

boo hoo

insurrectionist asshole traitors advocating violence got deplatformed from a private platform after spending years insisting corporations can do as they please

fuck off already jack

 

[SwollenGoat]

Reddit Bans Donald Trump Subreddit For Inciting Violence

when yer too fucking vile even for reddit

 

[SwollenGoat]

Google bans Parler app and Apple could do the same after Capitol Hill attack

The Twitter alternative has 24 hours to start improving content moderation or Apple will expel it from the App Store, according to BuzzFeed. Google removed the Android app.

Google bans Parler app and Apple could do the same after Capitol Hill attack

The Twitter alternative has 24 hours to start improving content moderation or Apple will expel it from the App Store, according to BuzzFeed. Google removed the Android app.

www.cnet.com

thank fuck people are waking up to this trash

CRY HARDER @Jack

 

[Bachafach^^^]

All Trumpers must hang

 

[SwollenGoat]

but muh freedums of lies

 

[Big Yank Bal]

Good

The only "freedom of speech" I care about is freedom from prosection from the government over speech. Any idiot can say or express how they want and not get punished by the local, state or federal government over it. Even the biggest pieces of shit should have that right.

"Freedom of speech" as far as right to not get kicked off an app though from the people that run that app? I couldn't give any less of a fuck about some piece of shit like Bannon or Giuliani getting thrown off a social media platform though. Fuck them, especially after what happened the other day.

 

[SwollenGoat]

 

[Clarence Worley]

Nah let dominion software decide

 

[steviebruno]

Great thread. Would read again.

 

[Bachafach^^^]

 

[Bob Weaver]

Good

The only "freedom of speech" I care about is freedom from prosection from the government over speech. Any idiot can say or express how they want and not get punished by the local, state or federal government over it. Even the biggest pieces of shit should have that right.

"Freedom of speech" as far as right to not get kicked off an app though from the people that run that app? I couldn't give any less of a fuck about some piece of shit like Bannon or Giuliani getting thrown off a social media platform though. Fuck them, especially after what happened the other day.

Yeah, completely agree.

You have freedom to say what you want without prosecution, (within obvious reason), but none of us have freedom of speech without consequences. People are allowed to react to what we say.



They still have freedom of speech, it's just that the tech companies have exercised their own freedom not to publish it or to point out its not true.

Most of these guys are supposedly rich, lots of ways they can get your message across including starting their own platforms.

 

[Bob Weaver]

I will say though that the only reason they are doing it now is that Trump has lost the power to do anything to them.

They made sure not to ban him when he still had power to influence taxes and legislation.

 

[attaboi]

So the last couple of days have seen a massive amount of pressure from social media sites to clamp down on free speech. The obvious headline of the story is Donald Trump being banned from Facebook and Twitter, which is absurd considering the fact he's still the American president, but it sadly doesn't end there. Other conservatives have been deplatformed from social media websites, the Reddit Donald Trump forum has been removed, there are appeals to have r/Conservative removed, Google has suspended Parler from it's Google Store and US politicians are already talking about a "Patriot Act 2.0", which will be censorship under the guise of protecting people after the scenes in America earlier in the week.

This is just...appalling to see. People will turn this into a 'left vs. right' issue but it's not about that, which is why people like Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi and Edward Snowden are against what is happening right now. This is about thoughtcrime.


I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say that these are privately owned companies and they should be able to ban whatever they want, but this is an unrealistic opinion that ignores the cultural influence that the dominant social media sites have on our society. Would people so willingly turn the other cheek if this was about targeting atheism? Of course not. The people who say nothing are those who are happy to see their side winning but freedom of speech is not a left or right issue, it's a fundamental human right that should always be defended.

https://i.gifer.com/WmEm.gif

 

[3K Battery]

I find the "private company, can do what they like" argument a flimsy one. These are tech behemoths with huge control over public discourse. They stopped simply being large corporates a long time ago.

They are right to kick people off for inciting violence, but let's not forget that many have been removed for far less, including some on the left.

I support them removing Trump, but on incitement grounds, not on free marketeer, corporate personhood grounds.

Then again, there is a pleasant irony in a party who exist solely to suck the dick of big business getting fucked over by them like this.

 

[3K Battery]

I will say though that the only reason they are doing it now is that Trump has lost the power to do anything to them.

They made sure not to ban him when he still had power to influence taxes and legislation.

100%. Stuff like this was only ever going to happen when he was a true lame duck.

 

[sasquatch]

I find the "private company, can do what they like" argument a flimsy one. These are tech behemoths with huge control over public discourse. They stopped simply being large corporates a long time ago.

They are right to kick people off for inciting violence, but let's not forget that many have been removed for far less, including some on the left.

I support them removing Trump, but on incitement grounds, not on free marketeer, corporate personhood grounds.

Then again, there is a pleasant irony in a party who exist solely to suck the dick of big business getting fucked over by them like this.

Will Biden and his masters be banned when they go attack another middle Eastern shithole?

You should be concerned big tech companies deciding what's truth and whats fake news.

 

[plankton]

Allow me to quote myself:

Christian baker can refuse to provide his services because he doesn't support gay marriages. So now social media companies can refuse their services to the political views they don't support. Same same. Typical radical rightists whining about their rights while they have absolutely no problem denying anyone not agreeing with them the same rights.

I even fucking pointed THIS exact problem out to the right wing nut jobs on here. If anyone can refuse service for whatever personal belief they hold, they'll cry their little eyes out when they get hit by that boomerang. Now it's here and there is a butt hurt pandemic running rampant besides the real pandemic.

The boomerang just hit and the Trump cucks are whining even after Trump threw them all under the bus. How fucking much of a subservient boot licker can they be without choking on it? Joe E, BigPete, Medicine, Clarence Worley, Jack and some others on here still pretending that they not morally bankrupt pieces of shit that long for the good old days. I and I imagine many others just have them on ignore and then once in a while show ignored content to have a good laugh at their delusional bullshit. In reality they're just high on their bullshit and telling themselves that they influence opinions when all they do is to circle jerk each other and engage with the usual suspects of a few posters willing to spend time arguing with them for laughs.

Then once in a while they pout and make a thread about how stupid we all are and they're too good for this site and run off, only to return a week later. It's just sad.

 

[sasquatch]

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, end of.

 

[Haggis]

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, end of.

What do you think "freedom of speech" means?