Fury agrees Wilder bigger puncher than Mike Tyson ,Rocky Marciano

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I think it's relevant to the debate.

Big punchers like Wlad and Tyson (Mike) all were far more well rounded boxers. Their overall power delivery system was better. Wlad could time his punches extremely well and pick and choose when to sit down and really throw the power. Catch opponents off guard with something they don't see coming and it all added to their natural power. Kind of like how Mayweather wasn't known to be a big puncher in his welterweight days but had the acccuracy and timing which allowed him to have enough power for guys to respect him.

Wilder just seems to swing for the fences and sometimes he lands sometimes he doesn't. But more often than not even if they see it coming or it's a poorly timed shot or lands in an odd place (like on Ortiz's forehead), they still go down once Wilder lands.
Are you unfamiliar with how Foreman used to swing his wrecking balls?

 
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I think it's relevant to the debate.

Big punchers like Wlad and Tyson (Mike) all were far more well rounded boxers. Their overall power delivery system was better. Wlad could time his punches extremely well and pick and choose when to sit down and really throw the power. Catch opponents off guard with something they don't see coming and it all added to their natural power. Kind of like how Mayweather wasn't known to be a big puncher in his welterweight days but had the acccuracy and timing which allowed him to have enough power for guys to respect him.

Wilder just seems to swing for the fences and sometimes he lands sometimes he doesn't. But more often than not even if they see it coming or it's a poorly timed shot or lands in an odd place (like on Ortiz's forehead), they still go down once Wilder lands.
This is all true, and Wilder's pathetic offense vs Fury fight shows it in perfect illumination.

- But that's not the topic of discussion., We're talking about pure punch power. Several guys who sparred with both Wlad and Wilder have said that Wilder is by far the harder puncher. - And he should be, given his arm speed. Plus, despite his several glaring flaws, when he's not off-balance his punch technique is actually spot-on. His kinetic chain is textbook perfect, from his feet to his knuckles, including the follow through.
 

hazza

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tyson was asked once what his greatest asset was, and he said my elusiveness.

he said nothing about his punching power.

which makes sense, because the reason tyson was so dangerous is that he knew he couldn't get hit cleanly.

this is the 86 tyson i'm talking about, obviously.

he was just too fast and slipped punches too well.

that's what knocked guys out, the power itself was the final touch.
 
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This is all true, and Wilder's pathetic offense vs Fury fight shows it in perfect illumination.

- But that's not the topic of discussion., We're talking about pure punch power. Several guys who sparred with both Wlad and Wilder have said that Wilder is by far the harder puncher. - And he should be, given his arm speed. Plus, despite his several glaring flaws, when he's not off-balance his punch technique is actually spot-on. His kinetic chain is textbook perfect, from his feet to his knuckles, including the follow through.
well in pure punch raw power.. I guess we'll never know where Wilder or Wlad stacks up in a historical context as we can't measure everyone's power accurately.

At best we can debate it and put together whatever evidence we can get from common opponents and who they knock out. Wlad, Wilder, Foreman, Tyson all at very lest belong in the conversation of the biggest heavyweight punchers.