Game changers Netflix

Clarence Worley

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Watched this last night and for the sake of my dick I’m going veggie


Anyone else watch this?
 
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No. But I will now. Some of that stuff looks divine.....

The other half is going to be like "Oh wow that looks nice shall we try it"

And I'll be like all reticent and stuff "Mmm well yeah I guess maybe we can see if it's any good but you know how I like my usual food"

And then she will try her utmost to make the best versions of each recipe possible ha ha! :evil
 

Clarence Worley

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The blood tests and the bit about boners will freak you out. I have an entire freezer full of meat and steak but after that I might try this out for a while.
 
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Thank you for saying that

I’ve been gutted all day. Torn between my love of steak and a full mast boner
The fact they basically made out Diaz beat. Mcgreggor because he was vegan and neglected to mention the fact he lost the rematch makes it fairly obvious, and the fact they use a Strongman as an example of strength, who isn't particularly strong shows they have a clear agenda. I haven't seen it so take my comments with a pinch of salt but I've heard lots about it.
 
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I will paste what I wrote about this elsewhere:

"So, looked at a few fact checking reviews, and surprise surprise the film does exactly what I guessed...makes wild statements of fact from tiny amounts of data and misrepresents studies in classic confirmation bias style.

Here is one article that highlights some big issues...


This New Documentary Says Meat Will Kill You. Here's Why It's Wrong.
'The Game Changers' is heavy on the plants, but light on scientific context.
www.menshealth.com
www.menshealth.com

So one peer reviewed paper that he cites in the film is accompanied by this commentary:

“And when it comes to gaining strength and muscle mass, research comparing plant and animal protein has shown that as long as the proper amount of aminos acids are consumed the source is irrelevant.”

Here is that fucking paper in an abstract:

Nutritional considerations for vegetarian athletes. - PubMed - NCBI

What he doesn't mention is what the paper says next...

"...vegetarians (particularly women) are at increased risk for non-anemic iron deficiency, which may limit endurance performance; and 4) as a group, vegetarians have lower mean muscle creatine concentrations than do omnivores, and this may affect supramaximal exercise performance."

That's not simply confirmation bias, that's quote mining and means the maker is wilfully deceiving his audience. That alone is enough for me to have no interest in his disingenuous, propaganda piece.

Then, as the Men's Health article mentions he cites a cow's milk study that says testosterone is lowered in men. He doesn't give the numbers in the study of course, that would be far to genuine. The entire study shows a temporary decrease in testosterone in a sample size of SEVEN men.

Exposure to exogenous estrogen through intake of commercial milk produced from pregnant cows. - PubMed - NCBI

That said, the more I read into milk, the more I am inclined to reduce my consumption of it, especially due to the way the industry produces it. Traditional means would probably be fine.

He then attacks studies funded by the meat industry for being propaganda. He's absolutely right. He then cites a study to show the inflammatory nature of burgers and the anti-inflammatory nature of avocado...and that study was funded by...The Hass Avocado Board. :lol: Oh and it featured a total of 11 people.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ca14/45946e57fcac75f6c8a2df13868247f13fe5.pdf

Then he plays with percentages. Quick example of how percentages can be misleading, with this made up stat:

"A 2018 study shows that people who eat a grapefruit for breakfast once a week showed a 100% increased risk in dying of a brain aneurysm".

Then you find out that in 2017, only one person in the trial died of a brain aneurysm and in 2018, one person died in the control group and 2 people on the grapefruit died too. So what you actually have in total, is one more death per year from the grapefruit diet group, which could be pure coincidence.

In this "documentary", he cites research that says 50 grams of processed meat per day increases the risk of colorectal cancer by 17%. But, that's relative increase, the actual risk increase goes from 5% chance (as standard for the population) to 6% chance. It's a 1% increase in actual risk...so if 5 in 100 people who don't eat processed meat get colorectal cancer, from a population of 100 guys who eat 50 grams of bacon EVERY DAY, 6 people will get it.

It's still an increase, and it's still worth noting, but it's perhaps not quite the difference people are imagining. Does the documentary include that context to the percentages? Does it fuck.

Even better is how the movie presents the dangers of HCA's in meat. Only, according to Brian St. Pierre., M.S., R.D., C.S.C.S...

If you eat your meat with veg (like erm...pretty much every meat meal would be) it reduces HCA's by 99% (and that's not a twisted percentage).

It doesn't end there. The producer of this film (James Cameron) runs a company with his wife (called Verdient Foods) that sells pea based protein supplements. :lol: Ooooo...damn the meat industry and its funding of propaganda.

And the doctors they speak to in the film...

Dr. Dean Ornish — Author of several books including, “Undo It!” Which is a guide to reverse chronic disease with a plant-based diet. In addition, he hosts retreats and offers online programs for plant-based lifestyle approaches.

Dr. Aaron Spitz — Author of “The Penis Book,” which highlights the importance of a plant-based diet for optimal penile function.

Dr. Robert Vogel — A cardiologist and author of “The Pritikin Edge,” which focuses heavily on plant-based eating.

Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn — Sells books DVDs, ad programs for reversing heart disease through a plant-based diet.

(Found here - https://perfectketo.com/game-changers-movie-fact-check/)

So a group of people who all sell products from books and DVD's to "retreats" based on veganism. Yeah...no conflict of interest here.

In summary...absolute fucking drivel."
 

Clarence Worley

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The fact they basically made out Diaz beat. Mcgreggor because he was vegan and neglected to mention the fact he lost the rematch makes it fairly obvious, and the fact they use a Strongman as an example of strength, who isn't particularly strong shows they have a clear agenda. I haven't seen it so take my comments with a pinch of salt but I've heard lots about it.
I saw that bias yeah but the blood tests dude. The blood tests!!!

Strike thank you too. I really do like meat quite a bit

I might do 2 days a week veggie as a compromise
 
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I saw that bias yeah but the blood tests dude. The blood tests!!!

Strike thank you too. I really do like meat quite a bit

I might do 2 days a week veggie as a compromise
Cutting down meat is sensible IMO. I try and do 2 days veggie/vegan, 2 days just fish and veg, and then a day where it might be chicken but with lots of veg etc. Try and have two carb free days too, and when we eat carbs it will be brown rice, wholemeal pasta or sweet potatoes..sometimes regular potatoes. Then eat whatever the fuck I want at the weekend.

Cutting down processed meat makes sense, eating more vegetarian food is almost certainly good for health and the environment, plus it's cheaper. But when the stats on someone who eats 50 grams of processed meat per day, only shows a 1% higher level of colorectal cancer than the control, it's really not a major worry to have a couple of rashers of bacon on a Saturday morning. And all of that correlative data could be warped by other factors. I mean, a guy who eats 50 grams of bacon every day...probably drinks more than your average veggie too...a guy who has burgers and hotdogs every other night is probably more likely to be a smoker than someone who eats tofu most nights.
 

mandela

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The fact they basically made out Diaz beat. Mcgreggor because he was vegan and neglected to mention the fact he lost the rematch makes it fairly obvious, and the fact they use a Strongman as an example of strength, who isn't particularly strong shows they have a clear agenda. I haven't seen it so take my comments with a pinch of salt but I've heard lots about it.
Too much sodium is bad for you.
 

mandela

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The fact they basically made out Diaz beat. Mcgreggor because he was vegan and neglected to mention the fact he lost the rematch makes it fairly obvious, and the fact they use a Strongman as an example of strength, who isn't particularly strong shows they have a clear agenda. I haven't seen it so take my comments with a pinch of salt but I've heard lots about it.
Same with the other athletes they profiled. Sure they are champions in their field but the reality is that 99% of champions eat meat. Vegans aint popping up in every event and winning it. It's rare enough that when it does happen it's publicized.

The blood test thing was mental though and I'd like to know more about that.

I can attest to the rock hard stauners though. See how some people do the towell test and see if their cock can support a towell...I can legit pick my missus up. Just walk aboot with her on the end of my boabie. #veggiepower
 
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Same with the other athletes they profiled. Sure they are champions in their field but the reality is that 99% of champions eat meat. Vegans aint popping up in every event and winning it. It's rare enough that when it does happen it's publicized.

The blood test thing was mental though and I'd like to know more about that.

I can attest to the rock hard stauners though. See how some people do the towell test and see if their cock can support a towell...I can legit pick my missus up. Just walk aboot with her on the end of my boabie. #veggiepower
Yeah it's certainly rare you'll find a champion who's a vegan, obviously mo farah loves his quorn and I'd guess he appears in the documentary. I'm not sure who the strongman is but it's likely the one who appeared on pierce Morgan recently, the guy preaches about his vegan strength but was infact meat eater for 27years.

Kai green has recently become vegan and you can be sure he will be popping up In similar documentaries. 2nd place at me olympia is vegan.. Etc, even though there's zero chance he'd have made it there being vegan from the start
 
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Not if he eats quorn.

I don't know if he ever claimed to be vegan or veggie. I don't think he did. He just advertised quorn.

Don't have to be veggie to eat quorn though. It's fuckin delicious and probs better than meat anyway.
I had some quorn sausages the other day and they were Shite. Not gonna judge all vegan foods on those though, what's the best vegan food I can grab to try
 

Clarence Worley

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I’m gonna try the meatless farm company stuff

They do burgers mince and sausages I think. All reasonably priced too
 

mandela

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I had some quorn sausages the other day and they were Shite. Not gonna judge all vegan foods on those though, what's the best vegan food I can grab to try
Aye, the sausages are shite, tbh. Linda McCartney sausages are the GOAT. Quorn everything else.

Best vegan food...fuck knows, mate. Probs summin home cooked though. You probably eat vegan all the time with realizing it.