Game of Thrones! season 8 trailer out!

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HBO apparently wanted to keep the show going as they probably realized 6 episodes wasn't going to be enough to bring the whole thing to a satisfying conclusion.

D&D rejected the idea probably knowing they didn't having the writing chops or creativity to pen out a thoughtful ending that done justice to all the log running story arcs and characters.

Lack of story and irregular character development has been sidelined for epic set pieces and incredible production values. I can let the multiple issues pass for the moment since its so enthralling , but once its all over i think this will have been a dismal season that will have a bad effect the entire show.

Its still good , but it could have been so much better. Next week will have to deliver something great , but its going to be a massive let-down if the leaks are to be believed.
Haven't read them myself but im hearing it will be bad. Which is mind boggling considering these guys took out an extra year and had all the money they wanted to prefect the most important season of the show.
 

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HBO apparently wanted to keep the show going as they probably realized 6 episodes wasn't going to be enough to bring the whole thing to a satisfying conclusion.

D&D rejected the idea probably knowing they didn't having the writing chops or creativity to pen out a thoughtful ending that done justice to all the log running story arcs and characters.

Lack of story and irregular character development has been sidelined for epic set pieces and incredible production values. I can let the multiple issues pass for the moment since its so enthralling , but once its all over i think this will have been a dismal season that will have a bad effect the entire show.

Its still good , but it could have been so much better. Next week will have to deliver something great , but its going to be a massive let-down if the leaks are to be believed.
Haven't read them myself but im hearing it will be bad. Which is mind boggling considering these guys took out an extra year and had all the money they wanted to prefect the most important season of the show.
It has been rumored that the actors themselves have been very frustrated with the decisions D & D have made and are not at all thrilled with the way that the show has been written for the past few seasons. Several are particularly perturbed by how the series is ending.
 
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Also , was there any significance to the white horse at the end . or was it there just to have a nice image?

A lot of screen time was giving to Arya running through the streets while Cercei barely had any lines of dialogue. Seems like a waste if Arya's questline is wrapped up.
It should really have been Tyrion fleeing through the streets observing the horror at what Dany become since he was her hand and adviser , he would have felt partly responsible.

I actually wanted Cercei to survive after Dany went crazy , as did a lot of people i talked to. Don't think it was the writers intention to shift loyalty from Dany over to Cercei at the drop of a hat.
 
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It has been rumored that the actors themselves have been very frustrated with the decisions D & D have made and are not at all thrilled with the way that the show has been written for the past few seasons. Several are particularly perturbed by how the series is ending.
Makes you wonder why there wasn't some sort of an intervention. If D&D felt creatively drained , they should have just left and handed the reigns over to a different team.
There's fans would could have written a better conclusion than Dum & Dumber.
 
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The fact that they felt the need to put all those "wake the dragon" "half of the Targaryen's are mad" quotes from previous seasons into the previous episodes recap shows they had doubts a lot of the audience would grasp why she snapped.
 

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I find myself wondering that if Martin ever releases the books if there will be vast differences in how it ends. I'm thinking there will be.
There almost certainly will be, imo.

I think I heard a rumour that the release date for the next book will be announced after the season finale.
 

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I am surprised so many people have an issue with how Cersei went out. That last shot of her and Jaime holding one another as the building gradually started to collapse was stunning.
Nothing wrong with the way it was filmed or the acting portrayed. It just seems like a cunt as vile as Cersei deserved to be fucking murdered in brutal fashion by any number of characters she's wronged, and we didn't get that. Instead, she died being comforted by the person she loves. No payoff in that.
 
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Nothing wrong with the way it was filmed or the acting portrayed. It just seems like a cunt as vile as Cersei deserved to be fucking murdered in brutal fashion by any number of characters she's wronged, and we didn't get that. Instead, she died being comforted by the person she loves. No payoff in that.
But that is what I disagree with. I think the pay off was there. I would not compare Cersei with a Ramsey Bolton or a Joffrey, two characters with literally no redeeming features whatsoever and who never really showed any humanity at all during their times on screen. Two characters who never suffered but instead always seem to be making others suffer. Cersei isn't comparable. Indeed she has suffered a lot and despite being a massive cunt that has done terrible things, her motivations seemed authentic the majority of the time. Watching her hopeless as she faced certain death, she all of a sudden turned into a defenseless, frightened little girl begging for her life. I think we can afford her the presence of Jaime whilst that happened. I had no issue with it at all, I thought it was extremely satisfying.
 
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But that is what I disagree with. I think the pay off was there. I would not compare Cersei with a Ramsey Bolton or a Joffrey, two characters with literally no redeeming features whatsoever and who never really showed any humanity at all during their times on screen. Two characters who never suffered but instead always seem to be making others suffer. Cersei isn't comparable. Indeed she has suffered a lot and despite being a massive cunt that has done terrible things, her motivations seemed authentic the majority of the time. Watching her hopeless as she faced certain death, she all of a sudden turned into a defenseless, frightened little girl begging for her life. I think we can afford her the presence of Jaime whilst that happened. I had no issue with it at all, I thought it was extremely satisfying.
This is why I have no issue with Jaime's 'arc' and didn't think he would kill Cersei.

It was perfectly rational that Jaime would get some fresh pussy, realise Cersei is definitely going to die at the hands of Dany and then decide he loves her and needs to be with her.
 

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I think you’re reading to much into it mate, there are huge plot holes in every season, how many times has a good guy been hopelessly doomed only to find a way out and live another day,.

Tyrion has been on death row twice and in countless battles/altercations yet has lived every time. Did you not watch fat Sam cure stone man disease after reading one book on how a guy cured it before, but he died of the disease himself. He just went in there and bang Jorah is saved.

I was actually a bit gutted about that too as I thought the whole progression of the disease and him keeping it to himself was quite a good sub plot andI genuinely thought he was dead meat and would go out like a G, but it turns out Stone man is no worse than a nasty flare up of eczema.
Nothing you mention here could be called a plothole all the events are perfectly clearly explained to the viewers.
 
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But that is what I disagree with. I think the pay off was there. I would not compare Cersei with a Ramsey Bolton or a Joffrey, two characters with literally no redeeming features whatsoever and who never really showed any humanity at all during their times on screen. Two characters who never suffered but instead always seem to be making others suffer. Cersei isn't comparable. Indeed she has suffered a lot and despite being a massive cunt that has done terrible things, her motivations seemed authentic the majority of the time. Watching her hopeless as she faced certain death, she all of a sudden turned into a defenseless, frightened little girl begging for her life. I think we can afford her the presence of Jaime whilst that happened. I had no issue with it at all, I thought it was extremely satisfying.
Nah, she was utterly vindictive and vile. Actually more so than someone like Joffrey who was an immature, spoilt, tyrant who had all of his mother's worst traits and on top of that had the nurture of being coddled and told he was everything to bring out the worst in him. For sure, Cersei has more redeeming features than him, but she also has so much more intelligence and self awareness and actual relationships that meant something to her, that her endless spite, manipulation and bitterness made her even worse.

She tried to have Jaime murdered for agreeing to defend humanity. She was belittling and bullying to everyone around her, she tried to have Tyrion murdered simply for being someone she was ashamed of and she had decided to blame for her mother's death. She back stabbed everyone in her life bar her kids and she had the intellect to make her evil above Joffrey's mindless, sadism.
 
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Nah, she was utterly vindictive and vile. Actually more so than someone like Joffrey who was an immature, spoilt, tyrant who had all of his mother's worst traits and on top of that had the nurture of being coddled and told he was everything to bring out the worst in him. For sure, Cersei has more redeeming features than him, but she also has so much more intelligence and self awareness and actual relationships that meant something to her, that her endless spite, manipulation and bitterness made her even worse.

She tried to have Jaime murdered for agreeing to defend humanity. She was belittling and bullying to everyone around her, she tried to have Tyrion murdered simply for being someone she was ashamed of and she had decided to blame for her mother's death. She back stabbed everyone in her life bar her kids and she had the intellect to make her evil above Joffrey's mindless, sadism.
Did you enjoy her scenes? I thought she was one of the few who remained enjoyable start to finish for all 8 seasons. :thumbsup

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