Game of Thrones! season 8 trailer out!

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Did you enjoy her scenes? I thought she was one of the few who remained enjoyable start to finish for all 8 seasons. :thumbsup

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Oh yeah of course, she played the role perfectly and her scenes were so limited in this season that the writers didn't have a chance to ruin her aura. I thought she was loathsome, but that was the whole point.
 
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Nah, she was utterly vindictive and vile. Actually more so than someone like Joffrey who was an immature, spoilt, tyrant who had all of his mother's worst traits and on top of that had the nurture of being coddled and told he was everything to bring out the worst in him. For sure, Cersei has more redeeming features than him, but she also has so much more intelligence and self awareness and actual relationships that meant something to her, that her endless spite, manipulation and bitterness made her even worse.

She tried to have Jaime murdered for agreeing to defend humanity. She was belittling and bullying to everyone around her, she tried to have Tyrion murdered simply for being someone she was ashamed of and she had decided to blame for her mother's death. She back stabbed everyone in her life bar her kids and she had the intellect to make her evil above Joffrey's mindless, sadism.
Unless you think all of the above meant that anything short of a horrendously painful death for Cersei would be unsatisfactory, then aren't we in agreement? If we are going to explain away Joffreys shortcomings down to his upbringing, then we can afford the same luxury to Cersei. Her own suffering and moments of humanity ultimately separated her from the likes of Bolton and Joffrey. Anything short of painful deaths for those two would have been a tragedy. Cersei was more complex than that, which made her demise strangely okay and even...fitting.
 

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Nah, she was utterly vindictive and vile. Actually more so than someone like Joffrey who was an immature, spoilt, tyrant who had all of his mother's worst traits and on top of that had the nurture of being coddled and told he was everything to bring out the worst in him. For sure, Cersei has more redeeming features than him, but she also has so much more intelligence and self awareness and actual relationships that meant something to her, that her endless spite, manipulation and bitterness made her even worse.

She tried to have Jaime murdered for agreeing to defend humanity. She was belittling and bullying to everyone around her, she tried to have Tyrion murdered simply for being someone she was ashamed of and she had decided to blame for her mother's death. She back stabbed everyone in her life bar her kids and she had the intellect to make her evil above Joffrey's mindless, sadism.
I also think that Jofre was legitimately mentally ill, which explains at least some of his behavior.
 

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I also think that Jofre was legitimately mentally ill, which explains at least some of his behavior.
I mean trying to diagnose someone as mentally ill in Game of Thrones is, well, a stretch...unless you were kidding, in which that was mildly amusing.

Just to clarify, I am not saying Cersei was redeemable, but I had no great desire to see her die slowly. Possibly because she had experienced plenty of hardships herself and was relatable in some moments.
 
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Unless you think all of the above meant that anything short of a horrendously painful death for Cersei would be unsatisfactory, then aren't we in agreement? If we are going to explain away Joffreys shortcomings down to his upbringing, then we can afford the same luxury to Cersei. Her own suffering and moments of humanity ultimately separated her from the likes of Bolton and Joffrey. Anything short of painful deaths for those two would have been a tragedy. Cersei was more complex than that, which made her demise strangely okay and even...fitting.
I enjoyed the scenes of plenty of villains in shows and films but wanted them to die. There are bad guys you root for despite knowing they are bad...Henry Hill in Goodfellas, Walter White in Breaking Bad etc...and then you veer away from some of them like White, but still have an affinity with them to some extent. Then there are people like Cersei and Joffrey who are great TV, but who any normal person wants to see die horribly at some point.
 
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I mean trying to diagnose someone as mentally ill in Game of Thrones is, well, a stretch...unless you were kidding, in which that was mildly amusing.

Just to clarify, I am not saying Cersei was redeemable, but I had no great desire to see her die slowly. Possibly because she had experienced plenty of hardships herself and was relatable in some moments.
Oh I wanted to see her die slowly, but the way she died was done well...I just don't think she warranted being given a sort of sympathy by the writers.
 
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But that is what I disagree with. I think the pay off was there. I would not compare Cersei with a Ramsey Bolton or a Joffrey, two characters with literally no redeeming features whatsoever and who never really showed any humanity at all during their times on screen. Two characters who never suffered but instead always seem to be making others suffer. Cersei isn't comparable. Indeed she has suffered a lot and despite being a massive cunt that has done terrible things, her motivations seemed authentic the majority of the time. Watching her hopeless as she faced certain death, she all of a sudden turned into a defenseless, frightened little girl begging for her life. I think we can afford her the presence of Jaime whilst that happened. I had no issue with it at all, I thought it was extremely satisfying.
Agreed. The scenes between Jaime and Tyrion and particularly the ending with Cersei left me quite emotional, truth be told. The Lannisters were my favorite family overall, hands down.
 
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But that is what I disagree with. I think the pay off was there. I would not compare Cersei with a Ramsey Bolton or a Joffrey, two characters with literally no redeeming features whatsoever and who never really showed any humanity at all during their times on screen. Two characters who never suffered but instead always seem to be making others suffer. Cersei isn't comparable. Indeed she has suffered a lot and despite being a massive cunt that has done terrible things, her motivations seemed authentic the majority of the time. Watching her hopeless as she faced certain death, she all of a sudden turned into a defenseless, frightened little girl begging for her life. I think we can afford her the presence of Jaime whilst that happened. I had no issue with it at all, I thought it was extremely satisfying.
And that's fine. It just would've been more satisfying to me if say Arya had run into her and killed her to avenge her father, mother, brother, and sister...or Daenerys flying to the top of the Red Keep, facing her down, and then Drogon blasts her and Qyburn away...or even Tyrion or Jamie to fulfill the prophecy we'd heard so much about.

I don't necessarily care who would have killed Cersei, but she did deserve to pay for her bullshit.
 

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I mean trying to diagnose someone as mentally ill in Game of Thrones is, well, a stretch...unless you were kidding, in which that was mildly amusing.

Just to clarify, I am not saying Cersei was redeemable, but I had no great desire to see her die slowly. Possibly because she had experienced plenty of hardships herself and was relatable in some moments.
Thst boy was closer to Mad King than anyone else in the series. Yes, he was ill and even his parents knew it.
 
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HBO apparently wanted to keep the show going as they probably realized 6 episodes wasn't going to be enough to bring the whole thing to a satisfying conclusion.

D&D rejected the idea probably knowing they didn't having the writing chops or creativity to pen out a thoughtful ending that done justice to all the log running story arcs and characters.

Lack of story and irregular character development has been sidelined for epic set pieces and incredible production values. I can let the multiple issues pass for the moment since its so enthralling , but once its all over i think this will have been a dismal season that will have a bad effect the entire show.

Its still good , but it could have been so much better. Next week will have to deliver something great , but its going to be a massive let-down if the leaks are to be believed.
Haven't read them myself but im hearing it will be bad. Which is mind boggling considering these guys took out an extra year and had all the money they wanted to prefect the most important season of the show.
HBO wanted to keep the show going because it was making them ungodly amounts of money. D&D rejected the idea because they've got other projects rolling in and they want to cash out while they're in front. They've got Star Wars coming up and Christ knows how many other offers sitting on hold.

It's not even that they don't have the writing chops, I honestly think they just don't give a fuck at this stage. It's the biggest thing either of them have done in their careers and they obviously just want to move on. If Disney was after them for Star Wars, it really wouldn't surprise me if they're in line for something from Marvel in Phase 4 or later.

They've obviously gained a lot of fame and notoriety for what they've done with GOT, but the projects they'll be offered from now on will have them sleeping on a bed of money.
 
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It has been rumored that the actors themselves have been very frustrated with the decisions D & D have made and are not at all thrilled with the way that the show has been written for the past few seasons. Several are particularly perturbed by how the series is ending.
Edit: Beaten to it by Haggis. Deleted
 
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Gonna drop a couple of interesting things here


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The Tweet is irrelevant, but I agree with the stuff about Cersei. I wanted to see her killed in a brutal way at some point, but I thought the way she died was fine and it was certainly her crushed and worked well.
 

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The Tweet is irrelevant, but I agree with the stuff about Cersei. I wanted to see her killed in a brutal way at some point, but I thought the way she died was fine and it was certainly her crushed and worked well.
Did you just read the first tweet or did you click the post and read the follow ups?
 
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One of the criticisms that is ridiculous is that Cersei and Jaime were killed by "rubble" or "rocks". As if they were walking along hand in hand by the beach, when a random rock fell on them. The rubble was from their kingdom collapsing onto them as it was razed to the ground by Daenerys on a fucking dragon. That's like saying that people crushed under buildings hit by bombs from an airforce were not killed by the bombing, but killed by falling stones. :lol:
 
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Did you just read the first tweet or did you click the post and read the follow ups?
Just the tweet. But deciding that a character development in a specific world and show that has always moved carefully with good development is valid because some people in real life have had narcissistic parents behave badly is a massive reach. How many of those parents have committed genocide on a whim? :lol: I will read the comments however.

EDIT: Don't agree with her take, but I would do if it had been properly developed. Yes she is narcissistic and power hungry and can be ruthless, all things that are still a far cry from killing as many innocent people as possible who had just surrendered. Also...I accidentally clicked on the woman's name rather than the tweet at first and so had the misfortune of looking at her feed...

"White people", "Whiteness" blah fucking blah. That has no bearing on the validity of her take on GOT, but fuck me she comes across as an obnoxious, racist hypocrite.
 
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I am surprised so many people have an issue with how Cersei went out. That last shot of her and Jaime holding one another as the building gradually started to collapse was stunning.
The vulnerable little girl isn't in her nature. Even facing the prophecy of the witch she was defiant. She used everyone around her to her gain and was as much Tywin's son as any of them. Despite having a vagina.

Her story closely matches the story of of the Mad King, which had story drama being her brother cut down the Mad King. People who are ASOIAF readers (not show fans) are fully expecting Cersei to do what the Mad King could not in her defining moment destroying all of King's Landing with wildfire.

It was a good scene but the story went in a direction a lot of people think isn't going to be the book direction. A lot of things in S8 are very different and D&D have stated they wanted to subvert expectations. So they basically shat on years of foreshadowing.