Game of Thrones! season 8 trailer out!

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I dunno maybe I must be alone here. I don't like the new series but I don't hate it. For sure compared to previous series it's missing that detailed character driven storytelling that was so compelling but I still don't mind it.

I think if they just made the battle with the night king longer, perhaps two episodes, and the same for king's landing it would have been better.

I also feel that the night king should have been part of the final battle after all in the first episode we were introduced to this mysterious threat from the north hidden for generations. But I can live without that. Just about.



I'm just pissed the last episode has a 79 minute runtime to tie up all these loose ends. ...utter crock of shit
 

Werety

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I really didn’t have any problem with the way Cersei died. I enjoyed episode 5 a lot overall I just wish there was more buildup to Dany’s going crazy. But I guess with the mental illness argument it could theoretically onset at any time so I guess it fully came on right as they took King’s Landing? Not a very satisfying explanation but I guess I can go with it.
 

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The vulnerable little girl isn't in her nature. Even facing the prophecy of the witch she was defiant. She used everyone around her to her gain and was as much Tywin's son as any of them. Despite having a vagina.

Her story closely matches the story of of the Mad King, which had story drama being her brother cut down the Mad King. People who are ASOIAF readers (not show fans) are fully expecting Cersei to do what the Mad King could not in her defining moment destroying all of King's Landing with wildfire.

It was a good scene but the story went in a direction a lot of people think isn't going to be the book direction. A lot of things in S8 are very different and D&D have stated they wanted to subvert expectations. So they basically shat on years of foreshadowing.
Could be mistaken, but I thought I saw a few wildfire explosions while Drogon was raining hot death on everything. Cersei may well have been planning to burn the city with that wildfire, had her defeat not been so instantaneous.
 
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Could be mistaken, but I thought I saw a few wildfire explosions while Drogon was raining hot death on everything. Cersei may well have been planning to burn the city with that wildfire, had her defeat not been so instantaneous.
Someone said to me that those were stashes the Mad King had placed all through the city when he was going to "burn them all!", the episode ended with Dany fulfilling that order.
 
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How is Jamie going from a horrible prick in season one (attempted murder of a child and no remorse for it) to being a good guy in season two (saving Brienne from rape and death even though she was his captor, just because.....you know, he even lost his hand for it, because you don’t rape women, murdering children? Sure, but don’t rape that woman who caught me and beat him up (pretty sure she beat him up, she probably threatened him with death too). So anyway how is that dramatic turn in character fine yet Daneares slow turn into madness absolutely shite?
 

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How is Jamie going from a horrible prick in season one (attempted murder of a child and no remorse for it) to being a good guy in season two (saving Brienne from rape and death even though she was his captor, just because.....you know, he even lost his hand for it, because you don’t rape women, murdering children? Sure, but don’t rape that woman who caught me and beat him up (pretty sure she beat him up, she probably threatened him with death too). So anyway how is that dramatic turn in character fine yet Daneares slow turn into madness absolutely shite?
But...but...but...the character arc...fhsiddau;cSHDNSoicJNHADOicfjapoizja'idJv'd
 
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How is Jamie going from a horrible prick in season one (attempted murder of a child and no remorse for it) to being a good guy in season two (saving Brienne from rape and death even though she was his captor, just because.....you know, he even lost his hand for it, because you don’t rape women, murdering children? Sure, but don’t rape that woman who caught me and beat him up (pretty sure she beat him up, she probably threatened him with death too). So anyway how is that dramatic turn in character fine yet Daneares slow turn into madness absolutely shite?
Jaime was always multilayered. What he did to Bran was, we find out, to save both his, Cersei and probably their kids' lives. He was intentionally shown as being blase about it, but we realise that while he is capable of real evil, he has a loyalty to those who he is close to or who he grows respect for and he would do almost anything to protect those he loves. If Bran reports what he sees...Cersei is executed, and in all likelihood, so are her and Jaime's 3 children. It's not really comparable and his character remained complex, but we got to see where some of the bitterness came from and that he was a mixture of bad and good.

Daenerys had NO motive for killing thousands of civilians, which is fine if she has turned into a raging lunatic...and that development is also fine, but it has to be just that...a development. And it is one that could have been done extremely well over the course of a full season, and HBO offered the two writers TWO full seasons, which would have worked perfectly. But...they said no.

So we see the development, from a woman who despite being angry and lonely, has never killed a civilian and agrees to hold off any attack to see if they surrender the night before the battle, into a woman who kills as many innocents as possible after a surrender...in the space of about 20 minutes screen time, relating to about 1-2 hours in "real time". It therefore felt unbelievable, rushed and forced, and it had to be the latter two of that trio because they only had 1.5 hours of screen time left to wrap up the entire show. Because they're cunts.
 
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I didn't like cersei death at all.

I think she should've been executed and asked if she had any final words just like she did with missandei.

They romanticised her death. And is it me or is the show making people insensitive to incest?
 
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Could be mistaken, but I thought I saw a few wildfire explosions while Drogon was raining hot death on everything. Cersei may well have been planning to burn the city with that wildfire, had her defeat not been so instantaneous.
Yes. That's the cannon belief in ASOIAF.

D&D wanted to "subvert" expectations.

See:

 

tezel8764

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To argue in D&D favour. I think just simply from logistics standpoint being creatively exhausted is a thing. There’s a reason why some of the greatest TV series ever only run for around 5 - 7 seasons max:

Sopranos (6 Seasons)
The Wire (5 Seasons)
Breaking Bad (5 Seasons)
The West Wing (7 Seasons)
Deadwood (3 Seasons)

Etc.

It’s Fuken hard work to put out quality writing for 10 episodes let alone 5 seasons worth of prestige drama. It’s no wonder that after the fourth the writing suffered and a lot of character arcs have been stripped leaving only the essence of the character without the colouring in between the lines from a fantastic cast. It’s why Tyrion turned into an idiot in the last couple of seasons. Although many would argue when they passed the books the writing suffered (I think it’s more complicated) the quality was going to dip without strong source material to adapt.
 
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It’s no wonder that after the fourth the writing suffered and a lot of character arcs have been stripped leaving only the essence of the character without the colouring in between the lines from a fantastic cast. It’s why Tyrion turned into an idiot in the last couple of seasons. Although many would argue when they passed the books the writing suffered (I think it’s more complicated) the quality was going to dip without strong source material to adapt.
The reason it suffered after the 4th is exactly as you mention in the last sentence...they passed the books. Tyrion's lines in the earlier seasons are almost word for word taken from the books. The first season is an exact replica of the first book. So it would be a bit of a coincidence that the first 4 seasons are all great while they lift the dialogue right from the books, and follow almost all the events and character as they are in the books, and then once the book material runs out, by chance...the writers who didn't have to create much themselves for the first 4 seasons, suffer burnout and the quality drops.

The thing is that the really hard work has been done for them. The characters, the world, the interactions and the final goal of most of these characters has all been provided by a genius writer. The two HBO writers are clearly with some talent, as they made some things in the show work well, and writing any screenplay is not fucking easy. But they have butchered this last season and have become obsessed with shocks and not doing what is expected, simply because the books do this so well at times. But that was never at the expense of common sense or character progression.

D&D just piss on things in order to be shocking. They had the chance to bring in other great writers to help, to consult Martin more and make sure the final 2 seasons did the plot and the characters justice, but they didn't. They decided to do it alone and in 6 episodes and it shows. Horribly.
 
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Also, if the rumour about the final episode, that I have read, is true, then it will be the most pathetic "twist" in any top show that I can think of. It will have gone into full on Hollywood action movie mode with none of the intentional cheese.

Jaime survives the building collapsing on his head, and crawls free of the rubble. Battered, stabbed twice through the ribs, thousands of pounds of stone fall on him and Cersei, but he survives...:lol: I pray this is not true, and IF it is and they fucking write in that his metal hand shielded him or something...oh God.
 

steviebruno

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Jaime was always multilayered. What he did to Bran was, we find out, to save both his, Cersei and probably their kids' lives. He was intentionally shown as being blase about it, but we realise that while he is capable of real evil, he has a loyalty to those who he is close to or who he grows respect for and he would do almost anything to protect those he loves. If Bran reports what he sees...Cersei is executed, and in all likelihood, so are her and Jaime's 3 children. It's not really comparable and his character remained complex, but we got to see where some of the bitterness came from and that he was a mixture of bad and good.

Daenerys had NO motive for killing thousands of civilians, which is fine if she has turned into a raging lunatic...and that development is also fine, but it has to be just that...a development. And it is one that could have been done extremely well over the course of a full season, and HBO offered the two writers TWO full seasons, which would have worked perfectly. But...they said no.

So we see the development, from a woman who despite being angry and lonely, has never killed a civilian and agrees to hold off any attack to see if they surrender the night before the battle, into a woman who kills as many innocents as possible after a surrender...in the space of about 20 minutes screen time, relating to about 1-2 hours in "real time". It therefore felt unbelievable, rushed and forced, and it had to be the latter two of that trio because they only had 1.5 hours of screen time left to wrap up the entire show. Because they're cunts.
They could have even played off of the Mad Queen angle and done something completely different, even with their shorter time constraints. What if Dany flew her dragon over to the Red Keep to kill Cersei specifically, yet killed innocent civilians in the process? Perhaps she was so hellbent on revenge and blinded by rage that she didn't consider the casualties...

… but now has to deal with the political fallout of her decision, with everyone around her mistakenly believing that she is a Mad Queen and looking to betray her in some way.

THAT would have made more sense than looking right at the Red Keep where Cersei is standing, then turning away and, instead, literally going block to block and actually targeting civilians for incineration. It would have been a far more logical way to introduce a Mad Queen angle into the plot.
 
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They could have even played off of the Mad Queen angle and done something completely different, even with their shorter time constraints. What if Dany flew her dragon over to the Red Keep to kill Cersei specifically, yet killed innocent civilians in the process? Perhaps she was so hellbent on revenge and blinded by rage that she didn't consider the casualties...

… but now has to deal with the political fallout of her decision, with everyone around her mistakenly believing that she is a Mad Queen and looking to betray her in some way.

THAT would have made more sense than looking right at the Red Keep where Cersei is standing, then turning away and, instead, literally going block to block and actually targeting civilians for incineration. It would have been a far more logical way to introduce a Mad Queen angle into the plot.
Yeah exactly. Numerous options better than the one they chose.