Game of Thrones: Things you wished were in the show

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I don't think there as been a show that has fallen from national consciousness as fast as Game of Thrones. Seems the last season was so horrid that people kinda have forgotten it exists. Maybe only Dexter compares, but that show was fading for awhile whereas GoT was never more popular.

However, for book readers the show had been declining in quality and straying further from Martin's writing from season 4 on.

For those who have read the books or know of the books what are some things you wish were included in the show?


For me it was the exclusion of alot of horror elements of Martin's writing. Martin has always been more Lovecraft than Tolkien if you've read his other books. For instance patch face a court jester who likely saw the Drowned God(lovecraftian reference) went insane, speaks and riddles about bad shit that's going to happen and who Melisandre sees her vision lips dripping with blood.

Hell I know a lot of people don't like Cat turning into a revenge zombie but I love it. It fits the narrative that there are laws that govern society created by unseen forces and if you break them like the red wedding it'll manifest itself in horrible ways and destroy you.

I hope GRRM finishes the books and I hope we get a better adaption a decade from now that's more Lovecraft than vikings.
 

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I don't think there as been a show that has fallen from national consciousness as fast as Game of Thrones. Seems the last season was so horrid that people kinda have forgotten it exists. Maybe only Dexter compares, but that show was fading for awhile whereas GoT was never more popular.

However, for book readers the show had been declining in quality and straying further from Martin's writing from season 4 on.

For those who have read the books or know of the books what are some things you wish were included in the show?


For me it was the exclusion of alot of horror elements of Martin's writing. Martin has always been more Lovecraft than Tolkien if you've read his other books. For instance patch face a court jester who likely saw the Drowned God(lovecraftian reference) went insane, speaks and riddles about bad shit that's going to happen and who Melisandre sees her vision lips dripping with blood.

Hell I know a lot of people don't like Cat turning into a revenge zombie but I love it. It fits the narrative that there are laws that govern society created by unseen forces and if you break them like the red wedding it'll manifest itself in horrible ways and destroy you.

I hope GRRM finishes the books and I hope we get a better adaption a decade from now that's more Lovecraft than vikings.
well now I feel compelled to start the five books I bought..............

I was unaware of the lovecraftian angle,only having seen a few episodes of the show..............
 

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well now I feel compelled to start the five books I bought..............

I was unaware of the lovecraftian angle,only having seen a few episodes of the show..............
Yeah Martin's a sci-fi horror writer at heart. Most of his previous works have to with body horror, science fiction genetics, and mind control.


In the books one of the antagonist cultures are sea raiders that worship a water God (drowned God)which is is probably meant to be Dagon. Their sigil is a Kraken and their motto is "what is dead may never die" which is obviously also from Lovecraft "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."

If they die at sea or drown they get to feast with their God for eternity in his watery halls.

There's also New God's and Old God's, the Old God's and the suggestion that an ancient race has been waiting to take over the world. That if you see a God you go insane and if you abuse the laws of the Gods or abuse magic the God's will come and twat your entire civilization. One of these incidents pretty much sets the premise for the books.


However the people who made the show pretty much removed all of this do it because a sword and sandal drama


EDIT: oh and Martin's a history nerd so all his battles for most part are well researched when it comes to medieval warfare.
 
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Yeah Martin's a sci-fi horror writer at heart. Most of his previous works have to with body horror, science fiction genetics, and mind control.


In the books one of the antagonist cultures are sea raiders that worship a water God (drowned God)which is is probably meant to be Dagon. Their sigil is a Kraken and their motto is "what is dead may never die" which is obviously also from Lovecraft "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."

If they die at sea or drown they get to feast with their God for eternity in his watery halls.

There's also New God's and Old God's, the Old God's and the suggestion that an ancient race has been waiting to take over the world. That if you see a God you go insane and if you abuse the laws of the Gods or abuse magic the God's will come and twat your entire civilization. One of these incidents pretty much sets the premise for the books.


However the people who made the show pretty much removed all of this do it because a sword and sandal drama
well now Im very interested................

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Haven't read them. Don't like reading ongoing series if there are going to be huge gaps.

Have heard there is even more creepiness in the books? Some of the main characters being kids, and still having sex scenes/sexualised descriptions? (I'm thinking Daenerys).

Glad they changed that.
 
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Haven't read them. Don't like reading ongoing series if there are going to be huge gaps.

Have heard there is even more creepiness in the books? Some of the main characters being kids, and still having sex scenes/sexualised descriptions? (I'm thinking Daenerys).

Glad they changed that.
Yes in the books, a lot of the characters are younger than in the TV show. Robb is about 15 when he becomes King in the North, Jon Snow is maybe 14 at the start of the series, Tommen is 8 when he is King, Daenerys is 13-14 at the start of the series also, etc. I'm only reading the books now so have a picture in my mind of the characters as they were in the TV show, so a I think I assume they are older than they are supposed to be. It is clear in the world of Westeros that children grow up very quickly indeed.


In response to OP, I'm only reading the books now, approaching the end of A Feast of Crows. This book definitely sees a big deviation from the TV show. I really like the Ironborn arc in the books, most of which was neglected in the show. I like Victarion as a character so far, and the depiction of the drowned God and the kingsmoot. The Iron Islands and Euron always seemed like a bit of an afterthought in the TV show.

Also the Dorish story was far better in the books. I think it's widely acknowledged that they made a mess of that in the TV show.

I quite enjoy Brienne's storyline when she's searching for Sansa but it does ramble a bit and not much happens, so I can see why they cut a good bit of that out.

Looking forward to reading 'A Dance with Dragons to see Tyrion, Jon, Dany's stories develop and see what will differences there will be between the TV show and books.
 
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I've never read the books and most likely never will.

But surely the most wanted thing the majority of people wanted in the series is a more logical conclusion.

The show shit the bed. In the other GOT thread here there was heaps of better ideas for how it should have wrapped up that I would have prefered
 
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I've never read the books and most likely never will.

But surely the most wanted thing the majority of people wanted in the series is a more logical conclusion.

The show shit the bed. In the other GOT thread here there was heaps of better ideas for how it should have wrapped up that I would have prefered
Yes the ending let the show down. I think the fact that it was just so rushed - the decision to just do 6 episodes was a huge error.

The last 2 books have still to be released so it'll be interesting to see how Martin ends them. If he ever gets round to it, which is doubtful.
 
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Show - Jon Snow and Sansa Stark the heirs of winterfell have to come on knees begging a 7 year old girl to support their rebellion against Boltons


Book - The majority of the Northern Lord's hate the Boltons, love the Starks (ruled for 1000 years) and have been planning a rebellion since the Red Wedding happened. Win the ultimate aim of finding Rickon and installing him as Lord
 

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well that means Ive kinda wasted the investment on a five book boxed set..................

how many more books does he need to finish it?
Well he sold it to his publisher as a trilogy 30 years ago..... now he reckons he'll need eight in total to finish it. :lol:

Jesus, his publishing house must be filthy looking at the cheques they've cut him and the amount of money he's left on the table. Can you imagine how many copies Book Six would have sold if it had been released along with Season Four or Five? :lol::patsch

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Well he sold it to his publisher as a trilogy 30 years ago..... now he reckons he'll need eight in total to finish it. :lol:

Jesus, his publishing house must be filthy looking at the cheques they've cut him and the amount of money he's left on the table. Can you imagine how many copies Book Six would have sold if it had been released along with Season Four or Five? :lol::patsch

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good lord....................EIGHT?

and we are waiting on SIX?

why the actual fuck did they sell me a five book boxed set in that case?

its not even close...............is it worth starting at this point or will book five leave me hanging like a florida chad?
 

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good lord....................EIGHT?

and we are waiting on SIX?

why the actual fuck did they sell me a five book boxed set in that case?

its not even close...............is it worth starting at this point or will book five leave me hanging like a florida chad?
The books are so good and the lore so rich that it's well worth it imo. They are very easy to plow through as well.
 
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The books are so good and the lore so rich that it's well worth it imo. They are very easy to plow through as well.
Im on board................Ive been so disappointed with 'modern' fantasy that I barely even look at it when Im shopping..............I think the last stuff I really enjoyed was Gene Wolfs Shadow of the Torturer stuff.............like early 80s.............

That and some late date Moorcock like Mother London and whatnot..................but I already liked him for his earlier stuff...........

Id love to find some new stuff that holds up to the older like we have in SF for instance...........

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Im on board................Ive been so disappointed with 'modern' fantasy that I barely even look at it when Im shopping..............I think the last stuff I really enjoyed was Gene Wolfs Shadow of the Torturer stuff.............like early 80s.............

That and some late date Moorcock like Mother London and whatnot..................but I already liked him for his earlier stuff...........

Id love to find some new stuff that holds up to the older like we have in SF for instance...........

:cheers
It's worth it. They really are great