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So,as many of you might know,I do quite a bit of reading..............its a cross between an obsession and a hobby..........as is my collection mania..........I currently own somewhere between 2,500 and 3,000 books I believe,and they are fucking everywhere............on shelves,in bookcases,on random furniture,in piles on the desk,in piles on the floor...............paperbacks and hardcovers,250 years old to new,poetry to science..............I love the SMELL of old paper,of book shops.............I NEVER get rid of a book unless I find a better copy,one in better shape or an older edition............

In this thread Ill list what Ive just read,what its all about and if I can recommend it..........simple,no?

Most of the works I list will be history,Im a huge fan.......from ancient history to modern..............there will be a smattering of horror,SF and science works as well.......




"Marshal Zhukovs Greatest Battles" -post 1

"The Conquest of the Sahara" - post 16

"Manhunt - the 12 Day Chase for Lincoln's Killer" - post 19

"Rickenbacker" - post 20

"The Reich Marshall" - post 21

"The Glorious Cause - The American Revolution 1763-1789" - post 22

"The Disputed Lands" - post 23

"Dimiter" - post 32

"The Forge of God" - post 33

"The Life of Napoleon I" - post 34

"A World On Fire - Britain's Crucial Role in the America Civil War" - post 35

"Storm and Conquest - The Battle for the Indian Ocean 1809" - post 38

"Stigmata - A Medieval Phenomenon in a Modern Age" - post 41

"The Annals of Imperial Rome" - post 42

"The Enemy Within" - post 43

"Life and Death in Shanghai" - post 44

"The Decline and Fall of the Ottoman Empire" - post 51

"Count Zero" - post 52

"A History of the Hapsburg Empire 1526-1918" - post 53

"The Black Death" - post 54

"God's Secret Agents" - post 55

"Queen of Angels" - post 56

"Beyond Belief - The Secret Gospel of Thomas" - post 73

"The Devil in the White City" - post 85

"1915 - The Death of Innocence" - post 100

"The Rough Riders" - post 118

"Survival In Auschwitz" - post 127

"Krakatoa" - post 135


"The Normans in European History" - post 136

"The Hundred Years War" - post 137

"The Fungus" - post 141

"Dead Wake the Last Crossing of the Lusitania" post 142



SO,last night,I finished a short book Id picked up a while ago...........

'Marshal Zhukovs Greatest Battles'

by Georgi K Zhukov

published 1969

translated from the russian by Theodore Shabad


Well,what can one really say? Zhukov was part brilliant commander,part callous butcher who tossed him men wholesale into the NAZI meatgrinder.

The book is divided into sections,one each for the Battles of Moscow,Stalingrad,Kursk and Berlin. While the book IS informative,its also clearly edited,or maybe ghost written for a more 'proper' content,reflecting the Soviet governments wants or needs............many of these changes are pretty obvious and the volume,in english,has some pretty good notes comparing reality to the Soviet story..............

Its,as mentioned,pretty short,at about 300 small pages,but filled with the kind of inside info WWII junkies love............and from a perspective not as clearly documented in the literature as the western or even Japanese accounts........

Read it?

Yes,but with a bit of a skeptical eye. Those who dig WWII or military history NEED this book,not having it is like not having Ikes account,Crusade in Europe,or Guderians works........

Any questions?
 
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Other thread not good enough for you huh
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[MENTION=1749]SwollenGoat[/MENTION] you can fuck right off with this, man. The book review thread has three years' worth of blood and sweat level reviews by the CHB masses. Post your review in there you slut.
 
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Looking forward to your reviews.:good I finished "The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich, A History of Nazi Germany" recently and enjoyed it.
 
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[MENTION=1749]SwollenGoat[/MENTION] you can fuck right off with this, man. The book review thread has three years' worth of blood and sweat level reviews by the CHB masses. Post your review in there you slut.
Thats reviews by 'the masses'.

This is an elite level thread,designed for the intelligentsia and vanguard. :yep

Id hate to monopolize someone elses thread..................fuck,but there seem to be SEVERAL of em,and Im not sure if patronizing one over the other is politically expedient............

Wait till I put up my 'Shit Ive Watched on the Internets' thread .....................more self centered nonsense from a Goatist perspective.............
 
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Looking forward to your reviews.:good I finished "The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich, A History of Nazi Germany" recently and enjoyed it.
That was actually the first serious 'history' I read.................when I was maybe 19 or so..................and it hooked me.

Shirer's works are brilliant stuff,from an eyewitness to much of the events......................I love the guys style and cant say enough about how 'The Rise and Fall' is a perfect way to get into the subject..............accessible and yet detailed............
 
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You can`t have another book thread without a good reason for it. [MENTION=1749]SwollenGoat[/MENTION] should be allowed to put a case forward for his thread but if it is pointless it should be thrown off!
 

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Thats reviews by 'the masses'.

This is an elite level thread,designed for the intelligentsia and vanguard. :yep

Id hate to monopolize someone elses thread..................fuck,but there seem to be SEVERAL of em,and Im not sure if patronizing one over the other is politically expedient............

Wait till I put up my 'Shit Ive Watched on the Internets' thread .....................more self centered nonsense from a Goatist perspective.............
This is some crude way of conducting diplomacy with me 'comrade'
 
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I'm no where near as eloquent as you folks. Primitive would be a good description. Even stone aged wouldn't draw an argument from me. So, I will stick with Goats thread. Brace yourself, here goes......................"Was good." Thanks, Mutt.
:lol: Dont be so modest. I thoroughly enjoyed that review. Thanks Mutt :)
 

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Who are your top 10 commanders for WWII?

Who would have accomplished what Zhukov did given what he had to work with, from your list of top 10?
Manstein

Guderian

Yamashita

Rokosovsky

Heinrici

Zhukov

Kluge

Rundstedt

Hoth

Kesselring

Konev

Model




12.................in no paticular order.............though Id say Manstein and Guderian are probably 1 and 2.............the germans,as a rule,somewhat better than the rest...........

The americans were not playing the same game.............the brits had some brilliant guys,like Slim,who could do much with little............but simply didnt have the chance to show the same sort of sustained brilliance guy slike Manstein did

Id say,given same circumstances,the germans were full able to preform as well as Zhukov...........and some Soviet generals,like Konev,might have out preformed him...........

Guys like Smiling Albert or Heinrici hung on with brilliance in the face of overwhelming numbers AND material superiority,in quantity and quality............Manstein,given his head,was even better..............

Im not sure a guy like Zhukov could have done what many of the top NAZI generals did as a matter of course in the late war........
 

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This is some crude way of conducting diplomacy with me 'comrade'
:yep



Todays book

"The Conquest of the Sahara"

by Douglas Porch

published 1986




Let me be clear,Im an absolute SUCKER for this kind of history,the adventure/exploration tale or man against the elements,the terrain,the 'savages'.........and this is a very good example of the genre.

It covers a very specific time period,roughly 1880 to 1910 or so..........and a very specific area,the Saharan home of the Ahaggar Taureg.........

The madness of the french explorers,as they attempted to penetrate one of the least hospitable terrains on the planet,the drama of conflicting goals,personal,military,commercial and national,the unbelievable tales of hardship,betrayal,human endurance and treachery..........its the perfect brew,well written so as to make it more an adventure than a dry history..........and it yet it never really loses sight of the tragedy,all round,from the colonial oppression to the breaking of dreams to the petty infighting that got folks killed in horrible horrible ways.

I LOVE this book,you will too if you are all a fan of the era,region or genre...........

One of the tragic footnotes,that brought it all home somehow,was the brief outline,at the end,of what happened to many of the french characters in WWI............the book ends just before the Great War,as that period of history closed and the 'modern age' began...........

Buy this book,read it and wonder at mans hidden strengths..........and underlying irrationality.........
 
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Todays book

"The Conquest of the Sahara"

by Douglas Porch

published 1986




Let me be clear,Im an absolute SUCKER for this kind of history,the adventure/exploration tale or man against the elements,the terrain,the 'savages'.........and this is a very good example of the genre.

It covers a very specific time period,roughly 1880 to 1910 or so..........and a very specific area,the Saharan home of the Ahaggar Taureg.........

The madness of the french explorers,as they attempted to penetrate one of the least hospitable terrains on the planet,the drama of conflicting goals,personal,military,commercial and national,the unbelievable tales of hardship,betrayal,human endurance and treachery..........its the perfect brew,well written so as to make it more an adventure than a dry history..........and it yet it never really loses sight of the tragedy,all round,from the colonial oppression to the breaking of dreams to the petty infighting that got folks killed in horrible horrible ways.

I LOVE this book,you will too if you are all a fan of the era,region or genre...........

One of the tragic footnotes,that brought it all home somehow,was the brief outline,at the end,of what happened to many of the french characters in WWI............the book ends just before the Great War,as that period of history closed and the 'modern age' began...........

Buy this book,read it and wonder at mans hidden strengths..........and underlying irrationality.........
Thanks goat, much appreciated. Was it a long read?
 

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Thanks goat, much appreciated. Was it a long read?
Its about 300 pages of pretty large type.............I wish it were longer,I finished it in three rather short sittings............but,as stated,its really about a very narrow time and place,so,despite the large cast of characters ,it managed to fit all in without skimping on details.................really a fine book.............well written,exciting and informative about a rather obscure sequence of important events that had an important impact on later 20th century history
 

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"Manhunt - the 12 Day Chase for Lincoln's Killer"

by James L. Swanson

published 2006






This is one of those books that takes a tiny sliver of time and magnifies its every detail so as to put you,so to speak,right there. I,like everybody,knew the basics..........conspiracy,Booth shoots Lincoln,rest of conspiracy fails,Booth flees,Booth shot a few days later.

What this work does is explain who Booth was,what the whole plan was,how it misfired and what the fuck exactly went wrong when it should have been easy as hell to simply flee to the 'south' and then Mexico or south america with the help of rebels and sympathizers. The 'plot' went to shit,the escape didnt even seriously begin............and the TENSION,as Booth and his sidekick hide out in the brush,waiting to get across the river,while being hunted like a dog,is amazing.............I cant believe ANYONE could just sit as long as they did..........I cant believe a better plan wasnt in the pipes for getting the hell away..........

Its a good book,it covers everything you ever wanted to know about the events surrounding the assassination,from the major players to the bit parters who managed to get hung for being stupid,or managed to fade into history until the storm blew over..............well written at about 400 medium sized pages its a quick read and a real tool as far as learning the details of the event..............

As an aside,the guy who actually SHOT Booth? Boston Corbet? He cut off his own nutz with a pair of scissors years before the Civil War and his encounter with Booth.............because Jesus.................he eventually wound up in an asylum,then escaped and vanished...............

If you wrote that in a novel,folks would call it unbelievable...........
 
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"Rickenbacker"

by Edward V. Rickenbacker

published 1967




Have you ever read a book by an icon,or about an icon,and been utterly disillusioned? Well,this is that kind of book...............YES,Eddie Rickenbackers story is the all american tale..........the rise from poverty to national hero.........the fight against 'power' in every stage,from the early days as a race car driver to the last days as an airline exec..........he made his own way and wasnt shy about telling folks to get fucked.

Along the way?

A career as a fairly famous racer.............a tour of duty in WWI that found him,at wars end,as the top scoring American 'Ace'...........a mutual love afair with the american public between the wars............the man who designed an independent automobile line and started producing cars with notably advanced features for their time...........a man crushed by the big manufacturers...........a man who fought back to the top of the economic heap,buying the Indy Speedway,buying the fledgling Eastern Airlines............and fighting the power all the way...............in WWII he was aboard a B-17 for some publicity work and some semi secret stuff.............the plane was forced to ditch at sea...........and Rickenbacker and the crew were adrift for more than three weeks in one of those amazing tales of human spirit and fortitude............written off as dead,they were eventually found and rescued,adding to the legend...........

So,why the disillusionment?

The man,as he comes through the pages of his own story in his own words,was an insufferable cock............EVERYBODY was always wrong,except him. He was responsible,personally,for pretty much every advance in racing when he was a driver....and in flight as a pilot.............and in business as an exec........pages and pages are devoted to his 'insights',many the purest crap............the day he killed a man in a race? One sentence.

It reaches almost comic heights at some points...........the self aggrandizing madness............and,quite frankly,it makes him appear almost unhinged at times........

That said,its an autobiography by an iconic man with a life of near unimaginable drama and adventure.............its worth the read,though his accounts do differ from some more 'official accounts' in places and his TONE is like rubbing your brain with coarse grit sandpaper..........at about 400 pages of pretty large print,it does drag in some places,and it gets insufferable in others.........but,in the end,its worth having got through.
 
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