Goodfellas or Casino

Which was the better Scorcese Movie?


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May 23, 2013
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It depends really. Goodfellas has better characters imo. Casino is probably more well written.

The best Mob movie is Donnie Brasco for a lot of reasons though. Well... I shouldn´t say "the best" but the most realistic and authentic on that life.
What donnie brasco has in common with goodfellas is that its both based on a true story.
I also think pacino’s performance in donnie brasco is very good
 
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It depends really. Goodfellas has better characters imo. Casino is probably more well written.

The best Mob movie is Donnie Brasco for a lot of reasons though. Well... I shouldn´t say "the best" but the most realistic and authentic on that life.
Definitely in the conversation. It really has grown on me over the years. I went from being kind of underwhelmed the first time I watched it to now ranking it as one of my favorite movies.
 

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I'm a Casino man, but accept that Goodfellas came beforehand, which is why it's totally cool to rate it better, much like Terminator and Alien over Terminator 2 and Alien 2, or Lock Stock... over Snatch. Both are awesome and quite similar, and guess I just saw Casino first... but also don't think Liotta is anywhere near the level and energy of Pesci and De Niro.
 
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What donnie brasco has in common with goodfellas is that its both based on a true story.
I also think pacino’s performance in donnie brasco is very good
Pacino should have won an Oscar for his role in "Donnie Brasco". Depp was the lead, but Pacino had the better performance.

As for the movie, I rate it very high on my "Mob Movie" list. I've seen Joe Pistone, the FBI Agent the story is based on when he was profiled on a few mob related shows. Gotta say, the guy had balls to do that for 6 years undercover and coming close to being killed a couple times when he came under question from his mob associates.
 
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I know the poll is 31-9, an overwhelming edge for GoodFellas, but I'm surprised by the conversation in this thread. I just do not see it as close, despite the fact that I really like Casino. GoodFellas is iconic. A decade best movie, perhaps. A movie that inspires a generation. Casino is one of those many films that were among the inspired. Doesn't even stand out, really, apart from the fact that it's also a Scorsese film.

I just can't wrap my head around someone who'd rather watch Casino than GoodFellas. But then, I'm a stickler when it comes to movies. I believe what I believe, and you ain't gonna convince me otherwise.
 
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I just can't wrap my head around someone who'd rather watch Casino than GoodFellas. But then, I'm a stickler when it comes to movies. I believe what I believe, and you ain't gonna convince me otherwise.
Well they are two movies that are cut from the same cloth and even feature many of the same actors in major roles. It could just be as simple as I've seen a hundred New York mob movies, I've only seen one Las Vegas mob movie. :conf

And Casino does stand out, it has a different setting and a different soundtrack to almost every other mob movie. Shit, even the colour palette and the way everybody dresses is very distinct. It's super bright and colourful, with most scenes taking place in blazing sunlight and often outside. You can take any frame of Casino and it'll more clearly belong to Casino than any random frame of Goodfellas looks like it specifically belongs to Goodfellas, as opposed to any other NY mob movie where most of the scenes are dimly lit. :thumbsup

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Well they are two movies that are cut from the same cloth and even feature many of the same actors in major roles. It could just be as simple as I've seen a hundred New York mob movies, I've only seen one Las Vegas mob movie. :conf

And Casino does stand out, it has a different setting and a different soundtrack to almost every other mob movie. Shit, even the colour palette and the way everybody dresses is very distinct. It's super bright and colourful, with most scenes taking place in blazing sunlight and often outside. You can take any frame of Casino and it'll more clearly belong to Casino than any random frame of Goodfellas looks like it specifically belongs to Goodfellas, as opposed to any other NY mob movie where most of the scenes are dimly lit. :thumbsup

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Fair enough. I was just giving my biased opinion. I'm sure Pedders will combat you more heavily.
 
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I'd agree with most of this. I personally found Karen more attractive than Ginger, even initially, but I concede most guys wouldn't and so Ace's initial infatuation was justified. But it didn't take her long to devolve into a wholly unattractive and unviable creature, at which point Ace, otherwise highly intelligent, should have known better.

Casino is too derivative of Goodfellas to be afforded the same level of credit. And Ace and Ginger are too tiresome to watch for 3 hours. It becomes frustrating.
Ace completely lacked self-awareness - just watch him juggling on his own tv show, to the dismay and contempt of his backers back home - but he was great at what he did. He admired the comparable level of skill displayed by Ginger, and totally ignored all warning signs up ahead - specifically the explicit terms on which Ginger reluctantly agreed to submit to his marriage proposal. It's a totally different dynamic to the one between Karen and Henry, and far less conventional to what you generally see in Mob movies.

But to give Casino due credit... You got the head in the vice scene, the blueberry muffin scene, the cowboy with his feet up on the table "You shit stinky horse manure smelling mother-fucker, you " , that horrific fucking pen scene and Stone sliding along that wall at the end to The House of the Rising Sun. It's a great fucking movie, no doubt about it.
 
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Not only am I in the minority that prefers Casino, but I actually consider it to be Scorcese's masterpiece.

Goodfellas might be a more fun movie at times and has more individually iconic scenes, but it primarily lives and dies with Joe Pesci's character IMO.

As others have suggested, Casino has deeper and more identifiable characters and a better overall story IMO.
 
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I voted "Goodfellas" but I'm not sure why "Casino" is so underrated. It is really close. I bet you if you did another poll where the question was "Do you think Casino is better or close to Goodfellas", it would be a competitive poll and I'd actually vote "yes" on it because I think "Casino" was that great and close to "Goodfellas". It's a 3 hour movie but it feels so fast every time I watch it and I feel like I'm watching something an hour and 45 minutes. I actually watched it again just a few days ago.

Another great performance by Deniro, Sharon Stone had me totally convinced that she was a higher level hustling coke whore, and Joe Pesci was absolute gold in this movie with the acting and some good comedy relief in it. The cinematography was great, the story was great, and even the side performances like James Woods and the musical choices for each scene were right on the money. Also, keep in mind that this was based on a true story. I think a major reason why this was underrated is that people just aren't in to the Vegas scene and would rather see a mob movie in a New York type setting. This was great though because you got to see something different and you got a view of fish out of water NY gangster types in a completely different area(Vegas) which was real life anyway after Bugsy Sigel had the idea to venture in to Vegas and before the major corporations took over as Deniro so succinctly put it at the end of "Casino".
 

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I voted "Goodfellas" but I'm not sure why "Casino" is so underrated. It is really close. I bet you if you did another poll where the question was "Do you think Casino is better or close to Goodfellas", it would be a competitive poll and I'd actually vote "yes" on it because I think "Casino" was that great and close to "Goodfellas". It's a 3 hour movie but it feels so fast every time I watch it and I feel like I'm watching something an hour and 45 minutes. I actually watched it again just a few days ago.

Another great performance by Deniro, Sharon Stone had me totally convinced that she was a higher level hustling coke whore, and Joe Pesci was absolute gold in this movie with the acting and some good comedy relief in it. The cinematography was great, the story was great, and even the side performances like James Woods and the musical choices for each scene were right on the money. Also, keep in mind that this was based on a true story. I think a major reason why this was underrated is that people just aren't in to the Vegas scene and would rather see a mob movie in a New York type setting. This was great though because you got to see something different and you got a view of fish out of water NY gangster types in a completely different area(Vegas) which was real life anyway after Bugsy Sigel had the idea to venture in to Vegas and before the major corporations took over as Deniro so succinctly put it at the end of "Casino".
Yeah man, some great points there.

I also wonder if Casino gets marked down by a lot of people because they want a Scorcesi gangster film with Robert de Niro in the lead, to be all about Robert de Niro being a badass, dominant alpha male. Which he is in Casino - except when it comes to the lead female role in the film. Geri constantly undermines, manipulates, takes advantage of and all but cuckolds him. Whereas the power dynamic in Goodfellas between Henry and Karen is much more traditional - she supports Henry and wants to be a traditional wife for him, whereas Geri views Ace basically as her own personal no-limit ATM, and treats him as such. Unlike Karen, she never loves him and instead just uses him and makes a fool of him time and time again, which I suspect puts a lot of people off. :conf

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Not only am I in the minority that prefers Casino, but I actually consider it to be Scorcese's masterpiece.

Goodfellas might be a more fun movie at times and has more individually iconic scenes, but it primarily lives and dies with Joe Pesci's character IMO.

As others have suggested, Casino has deeper and more identifiable characters and a better overall story IMO.
Deniro and Liotta were exceptional in Goodfellas, to name two.

Liotta is massively underrated in the role of Henry Hill. He was a perfect fit for that part. His look, demeanour and acting ability all fit the role perfectly. He has that face/appearance of a slimey greaseball NY gangster without it being overdone, and in parts in the movie you actually rooted for Henry.

Was he even nominated for an oscar? I fucking hope so.
 
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Fair enough. I was just giving my biased opinion. I'm sure Pedders will combat you more heavily.
Not likely.

I only went back and fourth with Masters because he kept quoting me and insinuating we didn't understand Casino, and that's why we're wrong in thinking Goodfellas is superior.

Like what you like, I don't care. :conf
 
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Yeah man, some great points there.

I also wonder if Casino gets marked down by a lot of people because they want a Scorcesi gangster film with Robert de Niro in the lead, to be all about Robert de Niro being a badass, dominant alpha male. Which he is in Casino - except when it comes to the lead female role in the film. Geri constantly undermines, manipulates, takes advantage of and all but cuckolds him. Whereas the power dynamic in Goodfellas between Henry and Karen is much more traditional - she supports Henry and wants to be a traditional wife for him, whereas Geri views Ace basically as he own personal no-limit ATM, and treats him as such. Unlike Karen, she never loves him and instead just uses him and makes a fool of him time and time again, which I suspect puts a lot of people off. :conf

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It gets marked down because it's at least a 50% carbon copy of a slightly better movie done by the same director, writer and cast 5 years previously. It's as simple as that really.

its still a great movie, a 9.5/10 movie. But Goodfellas is a 10/10
 
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It gets marked down because it's at least a 50% carbon copy of a slightly better movie done by the same director, writer and cast 5 years previously. It's as simple as that really.

its still a great movie, a 9.5/10 movie. But Goodfellas is a 10/10
Possibly/probably. I like that it doesn't lionize these scummy parasites to quite the same extent that Goodfellas does (although Goodfellas itself is nowhere close to the worst for this.) And I like that it looks very different to other Mafia movies. It is also true that even in this thread, one of the main criticisms is "fuck Geri, get that toxic bitch off my screen."

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