Greatest undefeated boxer ever - Packey McFarland or Floyd Mayweather?

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  • Packey

    Votes: 9 69.2%
  • Floyd

    Votes: 4 30.8%

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thegee

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Although he never fought for a world title , he fought all the top fighters of the era. he boxed from 1904 -1915 he had 113 bouts and lost one.Packey Mcfarlands record is outstanding.Regards Mervyn the Gee
 
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Packey, of course. Mayweather never fought anyone as tough as McFarland (or his opponents).

I second Tracy Callis: "Packey McFarland was a fast and clever boxer with exceptional skills. He possessed an educated left jab, stiff punches, fast feet, and a savvy of boxing that always kept him a step ahead of his opponent. Packey was one of the greatest fighters to ever hail from Chicago." And that's where the praise should begin, not end.
 
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I had never heard of this guy so I go to BoxRec and look him up. Initially they claim 106-1-6 as his career record. However, once I clicked on his name to bring up his list of fights, it says 70-0-5 as his record with 50 by KO. It just doesn't make sense to me.
 
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McFarland was / is one of the greats. One of the guys who dropped into today's landscape and picks up belts at multiple weights.

Mayweather record will stand the test of time despite it still being so fresh that the fights that never happened get brought up as much as those he won.
 

thegee

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@old joe. I am not disputing Mayweathers record prior to Saturdays "event". But I wiil never accept that should be on his record as a "fight", and Marrciano and Mayweather share the record of 49-0 in my book. Regards Mervyn The Gee
 
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@old joe. I am not disputing Mayweathers record prior to Saturdays "event". But I wiil never accept that should be on his record as a "fight", and Marrciano and Mayweather share the record of 49-0 in my book. Regards Mervyn The Gee
I'm good with that. It's an embarrassment that it got beyond exhibition status - money don't talk but swears.

How times change. Liston, hw champ, was barred from NY due to reputation / associates. Money didn't matter, they locked him out... bit off-topic but think worthy of own discussion - if boxing was run like NFL/NBA how many fighters in history would served suspensions for private behaviour, e.g. Mayweather.
 
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I had never heard of this guy so I go to BoxRec and look him up. Initially they claim 106-1-6 as his career record. However, once I clicked on his name to bring up his list of fights, it says 70-0-5 as his record with 50 by KO. It just doesn't make sense to me.
106-1-6 is his total record including newspaper decisions however they arent legitimate results, just a general consensus of the scored results totted up in the newspapers of the time.

70-0-5 is his record based on legitimate results scored by official abjudicators for the fight.
 
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106-1-6 is his total record including newspaper decisions however they arent legitimate results, just a general consensus of the scored results totted up in the newspapers of the time.

70-0-5 is his record based on legitimate results scored by official abjudicators for the fight.
I figured it had to do with something like that since it was in the early 1900's and not sure how things were recorded back then. Thanks for clearing that up.
 

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Packey, of course. Mayweather never fought anyone as tough as McFarland (or his opponents).

I second Tracy Callis: "Packey McFarland was a fast and clever boxer with exceptional skills. He possessed an educated left jab, stiff punches, fast feet, and a savvy of boxing that always kept him a step ahead of his opponent. Packey was one of the greatest fighters to ever hail from Chicago." And that's where the praise should begin, not end.
You are totally immersed in old timers,so show no objectivity.

Mayweather 'never fought anyone as tough as McFarland'

Yet he has wins over ATGs like de la Hoya,pacquaio and Mosley plus solid champions like cotto,Hatton,Castillo,canelo,Judah etc.

He was a legitimate no 1 in several weight divisions and ruled right through from super feather to being an undersized light middleweight.

I won't give an opinion on this as my knowledge of McFarland is too limited,but I would always be objective whereas you seem to constantly favour the old timers whatever.

Mayweather was legit.
 

thegee

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@old joe, great to get your reply. Re Sonny" in 1963 on the Johnny Prescott v Billy Walker, I saw "Sonny" do his "Night Train " act , I was mesmerised to see this huge guy dancing like a ballerina. I saw him box on TV prior to the first Ali fiasco, the only fighter to beat him was Marty Marshall, a d efeat which avenged. He than went 28 fights before the fiascos with Ali. Even after this he went another seventeen fights losing once. He is very under- rated his record reads 50-4-0 includes 39 by K/O. He fought Albert Westphall with a broken hand from the early part of the fight. take away the Two "st oppages" by Ali, the only other fighters to stop him were Leotis Martin and Chuck Wepner and these werethe last fight he ever had. Regards Mervy n The Gee
 
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You are totally immersed in old timers,so show no objectivity.

Mayweather 'never fought anyone as tough as McFarland'

Yet he has wins over ATGs like de la Hoya,pacquaio and Mosley plus solid champions like cotto,Hatton,Castillo,canelo,Judah etc.

He was a legitimate no 1 in several weight divisions and ruled right through from super feather to being an undersized light middleweight.

I won't give an opinion on this as my knowledge of McFarland is too limited,but I would always be objective whereas you seem to constantly favour the old timers whatever.

Mayweather was legit.
I generally (albeit not always) favor old timers over the current or even recent crop. But it's hardly arbitrary or capricious; there's good reason to do so.

And you? Would it be fair and accurate to say that you're very much a "Presentist," someone who thinks that what's current is always, and by definition, superior to what came before?
 
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@old joe, great to get your reply. Re Sonny
I can remember an article about Liston doing his workout to packed crowds in Sweden. Once started to look into him in detail - you must of saw him on the UK tour he cut short after the press kept asking him questions on current affairs (may been a bombing back in the US?)

Big fan of Liston. The Cleveland Williams fights in particular. He doesn't get his dues due hangover from his lack popularity pre / during and post championship + Ali II.
 

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@One to watch. I really don"t know where you are coming from. If you had read my reply to "old joe", and I quote" I am not disputing Mayweathers record prior to Saturdays Event, so whats"s your problem.? I do not constantly favour the "old timers", read what I said about Crawford, GGG, Calzaghe, great fighters in any era, I accept your right to criticise me , I do like the "old timers" like Sugar Ray Robinson, Ezzard Charles, Joe Louis,Dave Charnley. Hagler, I make no apologies for these choices . I don"t know how old you are, but in the the late fifties earlysixties top class fights were shown evry week from the USA and you were able to compare the various fighters with our own, Mayweather was a very good fighter and he probably would have been good in any era. REgards Mervyn The Gee
 
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Mayweather was a very good fighter and he probably would have been good in any era.
With his skillset I agree, I just don't think he'd been the #1 draw of the sport in previous eras. So many variables but he probably wouldn't of have the longevity given his hand issues.
 

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@One to watch. I really don"t know where you are coming from. If you had read my reply to "old joe", and I quote" I am not disputing Mayweathers record prior to Saturdays Event, so whats"s your problem.? I do not constantly favour the "old timers", read what I said about Crawford, GGG, Calzaghe, great fighters in any era, I accept your right to criticise me , I do like the "old timers" like Sugar Ray Robinson, Ezzard Charles, Joe Louis,Dave Charnley. Hagler, I make no apologies for these choices . I don"t know how old you are, but in the the late fifties earlysixties top class fights were shown evry week from the USA and you were able to compare the various fighters with our own, Mayweather was a very good fighter and he probably would have been good in any era. REgards Mervyn The Gee
Merv it wasn't a reply to you mate.
 

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I generally (albeit not always) favor old timers over the current or even recent crop. But it's hardly arbitrary or capricious; there's good reason to do so.

And you? Would it be fair and accurate to say that you're very much a "Presentist," someone who thinks that what's current is always, and by definition, superior to what came before?
No I'm not.
 
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I don't know why you guys are pushing this propaganda that McFarland was undefeated. He clearly lost one fight. Boxrec used to be pretty damned accurate, but they seem to be going the was of Wykepedia, where unsubstantiated facts are just added.