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Setanta

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The real statistic would be hospitalizations.
Yes, the rate of hospitalization would be a more useful measure than the rate of infection.

However, as with infection rates, the question we need to answer to measure the effectiveness of the vaccine would be:

What percentage of those fully vaccinated were subsequently hospitalized ?

Knowing what percentage of those hospitalized had been vaccinated tells us little or nothing, and only misleads the simple-minded and credulous like @Clarence Worley .


To illustrate further, imagine if someone told @Clarence Worley that drinking milk as a child caused brain cancer later in life.

They might quote a statistic that 95 % of all adult brain cancer patients had drank milk when they were children. A simple fellow like @Clarence Worley might take that as overwhelming evidence that drinking milk as a child causes brain cancer as an adult.

In actual fact, the question that would need answering to check this hypothesis is: What percentage of children who drank milk as a child went on to develop brain cancer as an adult.

Simple thinkers like Clarence (if we can even call them thinkers), often fall for this backwards application of statistics when it comes to cause and effect. This leads them to ramble on about the percentage of infections (or hospitalizations, or deaths) that were vaccinated, as if this was a meaningful statistic.
 

rjjfan

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Got the Pfizer. Hope you fellas can avoid the Johnson and Johnson and the Astrazeneca ones.
 
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No one in my family has had the vaccine and neither have I. I'm also the only one to not catch covid out of my family and I've been traveling and going to raves under the lockdowns so my immune system has been doing its job. No need to risk myself for an experimental vaccine, if i was at risk i would probably get it but the risks outweigh the benefits in my case.

In terms of the general population I'm happy they're taking the vaccine because now they can let up the lockdowns and finally can live my life in the open instead of hiding away from the general public because I've been living life normally, going into the office throughout covid, going to illegal bars, traveling about once a month etc.
 
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Yes, the rate of hospitalization would be a more useful measure than the rate of infection.

However, as with infection rates, the question we need to answer to measure the effectiveness of the vaccine would be:

What percentage of those fully vaccinated were subsequently hospitalized ?

Knowing what percentage of those hospitalized had been vaccinated tells us little or nothing, and only misleads the simple-minded and credulous like @Clarence Worley .


To illustrate further, imagine if someone told @Clarence Worley that drinking milk as a child caused brain cancer later in life.

They might quote a statistic that 95 % of all adult brain cancer patients had drank milk when they were children. A simple fellow like @Clarence Worley might take that as overwhelming evidence that drinking milk as a child causes brain cancer as an adult.

In actual fact, the question that would need answering to check this hypothesis is: What percentage of children who drank milk as a child went on to develop brain cancer as an adult.

Simple thinkers like Clarence (if we can even call them thinkers), often fall for this backwards application of statistics when it comes to cause and effect. This leads them to ramble on about the percentage of infections (or hospitalizations, or deaths) that were vaccinated, as if this was a meaningful statistic.
Sorta and mostly true. At this point, about half of all Americans are fully vaccinated. In fact, over half of adults are vaccinated. So if you look at % of hospitalizations or deaths from covid consist of those who are vaccinated/all hospitalizations or deaths from covid, you are working with similar sample sizes at this point to draw conclusions.

So for example, if you find that roughly half of covid hospitalizations in the month of July(in the US) are made up of fully vaccinated people, then you can draw conclusions as to the effectiveness of the vaccine to prevent severe cases of the virus(more of less the stated point).

It is back of napkin math to back out the larger question that you are posing. Does the vaccinated population have a comparable likelihood to catch and be hospitalized by covid vs the unvaccinated population.

If so, then there are still many variables to consider as to why it might be the case, but it would be somewhat alarming and certainly a finding that should give pause to the narrative(to which I ascribe) that vaccination is the most effective measure of beating this thing.
 
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All this Covid talk is depressing now, people feel like they are saving the world by getting the vaccine but reality is your just helping yourself get less severe symptoms it has no impact on anyone else, also they say the vaccines arent even up to date with the new variants so I dont know why people feel the need to feel special after they have got it

I understand people upset at no face masks but you got the vaccine and your wearing a face mask the best option might be to not go outside lol

I have a friend who was happy we need vaccines to get into night clubs but it doesnt make a difference who else has it the disease still spreads, so much misinformation

People talking about infection rates and deaths when everyday it could be 80+ year olds dieing and also infections rates could be fake tests, I have to do 2 tests a week for my job and I just cheat it I could put positive if I wanted to so how reliable is anything, crazy world nowadays lol
 
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All this Covid talk is depressing now, people feel like they are saving the world by getting the vaccine but reality is your just helping yourself get less severe symptoms it has no impact on anyone else, also they say the vaccines arent even up to date with the new variants so I dont know why people feel the need to feel special after they have got it

I understand people upset at no face masks but you got the vaccine and your wearing a face mask the best option might be to not go outside lol

I have a friend who was happy we need vaccines to get into night clubs but it doesnt make a difference who else has it the disease still spreads, so much misinformation

People talking about infection rates and deaths when everyday it could be 80+ year olds dieing and also infections rates could be fake tests, I have to do 2 tests a week for my job and I just cheat it I could put positive if I wanted to so how reliable is anything, crazy world nowadays lol
Vaccines do help others.

The more people that are vaccinated reduces the virus’ ability to spread across communities. It is possible to get the rona even if you’re vaccinated but it’s harder and it makes it harder for you to transfer it in high viral loads. Therefore the next person has a lesser chance of getting it.

That plus the more people are vaccinated the less chance the virus has of running unchecked and continuing to mutate into potentially more contagious or deadly variations.

so it’s incorrect to say your aren’t helping others by getting the virus.
 
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Vaccines do help others.

The more people that are vaccinated reduces the virus’ ability to spread across communities. It is possible to get the rona even if you’re vaccinated but it’s harder and it makes it harder for you to transfer it in high viral loads. Therefore the next person has a lesser chance of getting it.

That plus the more people are vaccinated the less chance the virus has of running unchecked and continuing to mutate into potentially more contagious or deadly variations.

so it’s incorrect to say your aren’t helping others by getting the virus.
Thats rubbish though because they still arent sure and if it was it was for the old variants now they aren't even sure if the vaccines are working properly, also they are saying the disease might be mutating because of the vaccine so its hard to see whose right or not, plus it will only be deadly if you have a life threatening problem its not a deadly disease and never will be
 
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Thats rubbish though because they still arent sure and if it was it was for the old variants now they aren't even sure if the vaccines are working properly, also they are saying the disease might be mutating because of the vaccine so its hard to see whose right or not, plus it will only be deadly if you have a life threatening problem its not a deadly disease and never will be
Vaccinated people account for less than 4% of delt variant hospitalizations. That is exactly in line with the proposed efficacy.
 
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The vaccine is useless, you can still catch it and still pass it on how is that any good that ain’t no vaccine not to mention all the adverse effects.

This whole rhetoric about you doing it to help your fellow man and the greater good is propaganda and brainwashing to put pressure on unvaccinated, nobody gives a shit about anybody else but themselves in this life accept maybe their close family, you have to look after yourself as nobody else will.

Would anybody care if I got the vaccine and got Gillian-barre syndrome or myocarditis ? no they wouldn’t they would just say bad luck pal.
 
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Not getting vaccinated. I didn't get COVID even while being in the middle of that shit. Every other week someone near me got COVID. I even got contact traced and had to quarantine. Still got all negative results.

Yeah, I doubt we're ever going back to normal. The standard should've been that if you are scared, stay home from the start. We've really opened pandora's box...
 
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Vaccinated people account for less than 4% of delt variant hospitalizations. That is exactly in line with the proposed efficacy.
The other day here 68% of people admitted into hospital were double jabbed, if you have health problems or a fat shit the vaccine wont save you, also the disease looks like its mutating because of the vaccine

I love how people use statistics when all our countries are about to go into the 4th lockdown I wonder if wearing face masks and washing hands can stop it lol
 
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The other day here 68% of people admitted into hospital were double jabbed, if you have health problems or a fat shit the vaccine wont save you, also the disease looks like its mutating because of the vaccine

I love how people use statistics when all our countries are about to go into the 4th lockdown I wonder if wearing face masks and washing hands can stop it lol
Yeah, I'm definitely seeing another lockdown on the horizon with these new variants. Hopefully, the government reacts to the economic devastation the big one left and finally gets some balls to say, "If you're scared, stay home--forever, faggot."
 
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rjjfan

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Bill gates is telling me telepathically to tell you all to take the vaccine so you can join the hive mind.