Heavyweight Monsters Who Never Won the Title

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Boxfan said:
Only not a monster because of his lack of size Jeff. Another who would have been a cruiser today. The only one who I think would stand a chance with him today would be Usyk. He'd have knocked Mike Perez and Marco Huck out.
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He'd be great in the cruiser division today. I was mostly trying to throw out the tidbit that the Quarry family lived near where I grew up and that I'll see Jerry's grave when I visit my grandfather's graveside.
 
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He'd be great in the cruiser division today. I was mostly trying to throw out the tidbit that the Quarry family lived near where I grew up and that I'll see Jerry's grave when I visit my grandfather's graveside.
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Is this in California mate? I understand they were fruit pickers,Grapes of Wrath stuff??
 
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Is this in California mate? I understand they were fruit pickers,Grapes of Wrath stuff??
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In the Central Valley of California. His family and mine were Grapes of Wrath folks who worked their asses off in the fields. I still have family in farming and the dairy business.

Jerry listed his hometown as Bakersfield when he fought, but his family is closer to Shafter, which is about 15 miles away.
 
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In the Central Valley of California. His family and mine were Grapes of Wrath folks who worked their asses off in the fields. I still have family in farming and the dairy business.

Jerry listed his hometown as Bakersfield when he fought, but his family is closer to Shafter, which is about 15 miles away.
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Thanks for that Jeff. Interesting stuff. Ive got a book about Jerry,which I only part read. This has encouraged me to finish it pretty soon.
 
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Unbelievable, I say....but then Ron Stander knocked out Earnie Shavers, Brian London beat Zora Folley, and Randy Neuman beat Jimmy Young, so go figure.
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Fair comment mate. BUT Richard Dunn wasn't a bad fighter and was a big powerful lump in his day. I don't suppose you saw/heard this but I distinctly remember George Foreman coming on TV and saying he was impressed by "the big guy who beat one of my countrymen". High praise for Dunn,but he was also knocked out by Joe Bugner,himself starting to be recognised as underrated. Also Bunny Johnson,who wasn't even a cruiserweight in size but a throwback to the American masters in his prime.
You mention Neumann beating Young. Neumann wasn't bad,and beat our own Billy Aird. Young also drew with Les Stevens,who I saw outclassed by John Conteh at the Albert Hall but used to see regularly at a gym in the south of England and was a very good boxer.
Similarly,I saw London/Folley on TV and always maintain that Folley at that stage was in decline after a hard career. Still a good boxer but Brian wouldn't have beat the Folley of the Cooper fights. Just like Neumann wouldn't have beat the Young who was robbed against Norton for sure and may even have been against Ali.
Stander over Shavers? That one baffles me but its boxing isn't it.
 
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I would add Razor Ruddock.
JeffJoiner said:
Probably not a monster, but Jerry Quarry gave some great fighters a run. He's also buried less than 50 feet away from my grandfather.
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I think he would qualify as a monster actually. He certainly conquered most of the HW punchers of his day, with the exception of Foreman.
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Only not a monster because of his lack of size Jeff. Another who would have been a cruiser today. The only one who I think would stand a chance with him today would be Usyk. He'd have knocked Mike Perez and Marco Huck out.
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I think he could have had a holyfield-esque career where he would move up from cruiser and be a small HW, probably snatch a version of the title. It's safe to say Quarry would be bigger now than he was in the 70s.
 
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tommygun711 said:
I would add Razor Ruddock.

I think he would qualify as a monster actually. He certainly conquered most of the HW punchers of his day, with the exception of Foreman.

I think he could have had a holyfield-esque career where he would move up from cruiser and be a small HW, probably snatch a version of the title. It's safe to say Quarry would be bigger now than he was in the 70s.
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I missed Quarry's career (born 1976) and have only recently started watching him on YouTube (wasn't around when I became a fan.)

My dad and his friends stated on many occasions that had Quarry fought in the 80s he would have had a title, especially in the post Holmes, titles passed around like hot cakes days. I tend to believe them.
 
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Boxfan said:
Is this in California mate? I understand they were fruit pickers,Grapes of Wrath stuff??
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Boxfan, the Quarry's were really more "Okies" than Californian. There was some Dust Bowl heritage with Jack "Hard Luck" Quarry, Jerry's dad.
 
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Boxfan said:
Fair comment mate. BUT Richard Dunn wasn't a bad fighter and was a big powerful lump in his day. I don't suppose you saw/heard this but I distinctly remember George Foreman coming on TV and saying he was impressed by "the big guy who beat one of my countrymen". High praise for Dunn,but he was also knocked out by Joe Bugner,himself starting to be recognised as underrated. Also Bunny Johnson,who wasn't even a cruiserweight in size but a throwback to the American masters in his prime.
You mention Neumann beating Young. Neumann wasn't bad,and beat our own Billy Aird. Young also drew with Les Stevens,who I saw outclassed by John Conteh at the Albert Hall but used to see regularly at a gym in the south of England and was a very good boxer.
Similarly,I saw London/Folley on TV and always maintain that Folley at that stage was in decline after a hard career. Still a good boxer but Brian wouldn't have beat the Folley of the Cooper fights. Just like Neumann wouldn't have beat the Young who was robbed against Norton for sure and may even have been against Ali.
Stander over Shavers? That one baffles me but its boxing isn't it.
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Yeah, much like Duane Bobick holding a ko win over Mike Weaver....boxing anomalies...
 
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