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Ajagba/Joyce would be something crazy. Ajagba definitely should be looking at someone like Duhaupus. I wouldn't mind it if he goes against Bakole either. Lots of fights for him, but I don't think he's learning much blasting out these guys.
He's back out on the Charlo vs Adams card June/July so hopefully we'll get a good opponent. Someone tough as boots like Duhaupas or Dawejko would be good, or someone with some movement like Ytalo Perea.
 
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Yes. Joyce has TONS of amateur experience, far more than Joshua had when he turned pro, but Joshua in his first pro fight looked more technically sound than Joyce. Amateur experience should lead to greater technique but it doesn't always work out like that.

That's all fair mate. I thought Vianello looked awful in that brief clip, so I checked out some WBS fights of his and other amateur stuff. He looked better in those and showed what looks to be a good chin and very fast hands. A guy who is 6ft 6" with fast hands, a decent jab and a good chin will do okay, but that's as far as it goes...he looked every bit as easy to hit in each fight, with no improvement in that area from 2015 to 2018, and his technique on most punches is not good.

Gorman throws technically sound combinations when in full flow, especially to the body, and he has decent upper body movement for a big guy, but he's making all the same mistakes now that he was 2 years ago, seems devoid of ideas if someone is covering up well, and still hasn't got himself into the sort of condition a pro athlete should be in. Nobody expects him to come in ripped...Fedor never did as a top MMA fighter, and Fury is never getting to cut up, but he should be leaner and be looking to get in the sort of shape Fury was for the Wlad fight.
AS usual good stuff Strike but you know I was kidding with that first bit. Anybody seeing your quote and reply might think I was serious.
 
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Ajagba/Joyce would be something crazy. Ajagba definitely should be looking at someone like Duhaupus. I wouldn't mind it if he goes against Bakole either. Lots of fights for him, but I don't think he's learning much blasting out these guys.
Ajagba has real power, but he actually looks to be getting slower. :lol: When I saw his first few fights I was pretty impressed at his raw ability, but the more recent ones look like a regression in terms of fluidity. He was never the fastest or most fluid, but he looks to actually be slowing down and becoming more stiff. It might just be my imagination or the manner of the punches he happened to be landing, but I don't see any progress.

Suddenly he will throw a few 1-2's with more pace, and then almost immediately his shots go back to looking laboured. It's a bit weird, but he does have a high output and evidently heavy hands.
 
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Ajagba/Joyce would be something crazy. Ajagba definitely should be looking at someone like Duhaupus. I wouldn't mind it if he goes against Bakole either. Lots of fights for him, but I don't think he's learning much blasting out these guys.
Like your post Mexibox but don't necessarily agree. I once thought Wallisch a good opponent for our British prospects. Big lad, good record. But Ajagba did a job on him. Also beat Mansour,a bit past it but always dangerous. Short tough southpaw. So you've got a mix of styles right there. Don't agree with Duhaupas as he's done for but Bakole would be a good next fight. I usually only bet 5 or 10 pounds but Im putting 20 on this lad if he fights Bakole. And if I was Joe Joyce Id swerve Ajagba for the same reason as he's not fighting Daniel Dubois.
Speaking of Dubois,him and Ajagba are surely gonna fight some time in the next 3 years?? And Im NOT betting on that one.
 
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Ajagba has real power, but he actually looks to be getting slower. :lol: When I saw his first few fights I was pretty impressed at his raw ability, but the more recent ones look like a regression in terms of fluidity. He was never the fastest or most fluid, but he looks to actually be slowing down and becoming more stiff. It might just be my imagination or the manner of the punches he happened to be landing, but I don't see any progress.

Suddenly he will throw a few 1-2's with more pace, and then almost immediately his shots go back to looking laboured. It's a bit weird, but he does have a high output and evidently heavy hands.
Yes you could hear the punches going in. However,I actually think this lad has a fair amount of boxing skill. He's quite tidy. Hope he's never boxed amateur to see what Smithy says.
 
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Yes you could hear the punches going in. However,I actually think this lad has a fair amount of boxing skill. He's quite tidy. Hope he's never boxed amateur to see what Smithy says.
He has a fair bit of amateur experience. Won a bronze medal at the 2014 Commonwealth Games and boxed at the Rio Olympics, won his first fight by KO, but then lost on points to Dychko in the quarter finals.
 

beadybea

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Ajagba has real power, but he actually looks to be getting slower. :lol: When I saw his first few fights I was pretty impressed at his raw ability, but the more recent ones look like a regression in terms of fluidity. He was never the fastest or most fluid, but he looks to actually be slowing down and becoming more stiff. It might just be my imagination or the manner of the punches he happened to be landing, but I don't see any progress.

Suddenly he will throw a few 1-2's with more pace, and then almost immediately his shots go back to looking laboured. It's a bit weird, but he does have a high output and evidently heavy hands.
Looked very methodical against Wallisch. The power was causing him real trouble through the high guard and he picked some nice shots with hooks around the back. Defensively he didn't show much footwork or head movement, just covered up and waited for Wallisch to breathe.
 
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Looked very methodical against Wallisch. The power was causing him real trouble through the high guard and he picked some nice shots with hooks around the back. Defensively he didn't show much footwork or head movement, just covered up and waited for Wallisch to breathe.
Yeah but also very slow with his hooks. In round 1, his right hand looked like he was throwing it in treacle, and then suddenly in round 2, he fires off a bunch of 1-2's that were snappy and with good pace, and then the hooks went back to looking laboured.
 
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Ajagba throws like a girl. Some of the worst punch technique in the division.
And hs jab looks like he's reaching out to shake hands.
He also doesn't appear to have much power at all. Don't go by his padded record, just watch how many times he lands flush on an opponent, and they don't even blink.

Well, he did look slightly better against Mansour, so maybe Ronnie Shields is making some progress, but his defense still sucks and his offense still consists of throwing basic 1-2 combinations straight into his opponents' gloves.


What do people see in this guy?
 
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He also doesn't appear to have much power at all.
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Do you just look for ways to say contrary, ridiculous things? The main thing Ajagab has is power. The reason he is not icing some people is that he's not accurate enough, and not picking his shots, and he's slow a lot of the time. So guys are seeing the shots coming, covering up and Ajagba is then punching through the guard. Wallisch is a prime example, almost none of those shots landed cleanly, they had to go through the gloves.

Ajagba is the only man to stop Rodney Hernandez. Hernandez is a tough as fuck low tier guy, but he's used by prospects on the way up a good deal, because he gives rounds. He went the full 8 with Kownacki, and Kownacki never put a dent in him, but Kownacki splattered Washington far quicker than Wilder did and Szpilka too. Hernandez went the full 10 with Kuzmin, who KO'd Joyce as an amateur and can punch. Hernandez took Hunter and Zhang the distance too...because he takes everyone the distance, apart from...Ajagba.

You've raved about the power of Bakole, when his record of stoppages is the definition of padded outside of Wach, and Wach was waved off by the ref while stood up and not looking like going down.

Breazeale stopped Mansour due to Mansour having a broken jaw, not by KOing him. Ajagba dropped him twice in the first round and stopped him in 2.

Ajagba will struggle to stop higher class opponents, as they will nullify is basic attacks and routes in, but the one thing he does have is power.
 
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:lol:

Do you just look for ways to say contrary, ridiculous things? The main thing Ajagab has is power.
Do you know anything about boxing? (I'm seriously starting to doubt it.)

Have you seen him take anyone, known to be durable, out with one punch? Have you seen any of his fights, in which he lands and lands and lands, and his opponent doesn't go down. (for a while, anyway.)

Do you really think all of his 1st round KO's, against complete nobodies , is legit?

Have you actually studied his (laughable) punch Technique?

Do you have a pair of eyes that work, or are you reading about this guy via braille?
 
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Do you know anything about boxing? (I'm seriously starting to doubt it.)

Have you seen him take anyone, known to be durable, out with one punch? Have you seen any of his fights, in which he lands and lands and lands, and his opponent doesn't go down. (for a while, anyway.)

Do you really think all of his 1st round KO's, against complete nobodies , is legit?

Have you actually studied his (laughable) punch Technique?

Do you have a pair of eyes that work, or are you reading about this guy via braille?
:lol:

I evidently know a shit ton more about the sport than you. You, being someone who described Groves as "a swarmer" and who described the Sonny Conto footage as reminiscent of a "young Vitali" when Vitali was an upright, rigid fighter who threw 1-2's and the Conto footage showed a guy moving from the waist and ripping in body shots. You who work as basically a go to of bizarre boxing opinions on the site, in which you described a "textbook" Wilder hook that involved landing with the thumb part of the glove. :lol:

Here's a better question than your ludicrous one about whether I've seen him one punch KO someone with proven durability...

Which fights have you seen where he lands flush, multiple times and the opponent doesn't blink? Because that was your statement of fact.

Here's the reality outside of your nonsense. He's crude, he's sluggish and he often has to punch through guards as his shot selection is not great.

Now, why don't you list me the guys you have watched take flush shots and not blink? Because there's only one...it's Hernandez and he's not blinked when getting pounded on by Kownacki, Zhang, Hunter and Kuzmin either. Only...none of those guys actually stopped him, whereas he took such a beating off Ajagba that the ref stepped in.

I've seen every stoppage he's had, and yes most of the opponent were crap, that's not the discussion. The discussion is you saying he has poor power. :lol: It is probably not top tier, but we don't know yet, what we do know is that he's stopped everyone he has faced and he's knocking guys out with slow shots that are not even landing on the point of the chin.

So go on...name the fighters you watched take flush shots without blinking. Apparently there were a few.
 
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:lol:

I evidently know a shit ton more about the sport than you. You, being someone who described Groves as "a swarmer" and who described the Sonny Conto footage as reminiscent of a "young Vitali" when Vitali was an upright, rigid fighter who threw 1-2's and the Conto footage showed a guy moving from the waist and ripping in body shots. You who work as basically a go to of bizarre boxing opinions on the site, in which you described a "textbook" Wilder hook that involved landing with the thumb part of the glove. :lol:

Here's a better question than your ludicrous one about whether I've seen him one punch KO someone with proven durability...

Which fights have you seen where he lands flush, multiple times and the opponent doesn't blink? Because that was your statement of fact.

Here's the reality outside of your nonsense. He's crude, he's sluggish and he often has to punch through guards as his shot selection is not great.

Now, why don't you list me the guys you have watched take flush shots and not blink? Because there's only one...it's Hernandez and he's not blinked when getting pounded on by Kownacki, Zhang, Hunter and Kuzmin either. Only...none of those guys actually stopped him, whereas he took such a beating off Ajagba that the ref stepped in.

I've seen every stoppage he's had, and yes most of the opponent were crap, that's not the discussion. The discussion is you saying he has poor power. :lol: It is probably not top tier, but we don't know yet, what we do know is that he's stopped everyone he has faced and he's knocking guys out with slow shots that are not even landing on the point of the chin.

So go on...name the fighters you watched take flush shots without blinking. Apparently there were a few.
Good stuff. Not technique related but you forgot to mention that none of our. future Brit world beaters have picked the ancient jailbird Mansour as an opponent. Reason being he's still too tough to take a risk on.
 
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