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Disagree. I played basketball and football. Being a defensive end and Tight end was far more difficult. In basketball your coach may have 5 sets where you can run maybe 10 plays out of at best, mostly motion. Where as in American football you have 10 sets with 50 plays and each individual assignment may be different depending on how the defense aligns.

Everyone on the internet was a star athlete who makes 6 figures and has a hot wife, but I was legitimately one of the best players in my side of the state. However, I went up against a farm boy once who had a full ride scholarship to Iowa which means he was top 10 players in the state and maybe the best at his position. My job was to block this kid, I tried everything, anticipating the snap by half a second, guess where he was going, chop his knees, grab under his should pads, doing whatever I could to keep him out the back field. This dudes technique was just above mine, he could swim, rip, first step lightening quick, and I was on an island. Not like basketball where you can run a zone if the other team has this amazing player, there are ways to hide a bad player. You arent hiding a weakness on the football field. In football the best you can do is send a double team but that just puts pressure on other people a long the line.

For reference here is the best DE in the NFL





Come on bro lol.
This is correct.

Also...did you ever think you'd see the day when USMNT would have a future GOAT? sigh every dirty foreigner on this forum must be so happy for us!!
 
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Disagree. I played basketball and football. Being a defensive end and Tight end was far more difficult. In basketball your coach may have 5 sets where you can run maybe 10 plays out of at best, mostly motion. Where as in American football you have 10 sets with 50 plays and each individual assignment may be different depending on how the defense aligns.

Everyone on the internet was a star athlete who makes 6 figures and has a hot wife, but I was legitimately one of the best players in my side of the state. However, I went up against a farm boy once who had a full ride scholarship to Iowa which means he was top 10 players in the state and maybe the best at his position. My job was to block this kid, I tried everything, anticipating the snap by half a second, guess where he was going, chop his knees, grab under his should pads, doing whatever I could to keep him out the back field. This dudes technique was just above mine, he could swim, rip, first step lightening quick, and I was on an island. Not like basketball where you can run a zone if the other team has this amazing player, there are ways to hide a bad player. You arent hiding a weakness on the football field. In football the best you can do is send a double team but that just puts pressure on other people a long the line.

For reference here is the best DE in the NFL





Come on bro lol.
I don't know basketball that well tbf. It's another American sport.

I just know that you can't take up football or tennis etc at 20 and be a success, but you can in nfl because there is a much lower skill barrier.

Edit. I'd imagine ice hockey, for an American sport, would have a higher skill level than nfl?

You'd need to learn to skate, get puck handling, passing, shooting, tackling, etc.
 

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I don't know basketball that well tbf. It's another American sport.

I just know that you can't take up football or tennis etc at 20 and be a success, but you can in nfl because there is a much lower skill barrier.

Edit. I'd imagine ice hockey, for an American sport, would have a higher skill level than nfl?

You'd need to learn to skate, get puck handling, passing, shooting, tackling, etc.
Name an NFL player who started playing football at 20 and became a success. Jarryd Hayne who grew up playing the sport American football evolved from and was cut from his team after one season despite being one of the most physical gifted athletes in the world? Even then these are special team guys, not quarterback, not wide receiver, not linebacker, not safety, they are guys brought in to run down the field and make 20mph collisions in the 5 kickoffs that occur every game so the guys with skill dont get paralyzed.
 
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Name an NFL player who started playing football at 20 and became a success. Jarryd Hayne who grew up playing the sport American football evolved from and was cut from his team after one season despite being one of the most physical gifted athletes in the world? Even then these are special team guys, not quarterback, not wide receiver, not linebacker, not safety, they are guys brought in to run down the field and make 20mph collisions in the 5 kickoffs that occur every game so the guys with skill dont get paralyzed.
Yo, were you watching XFL while it was on, by chance? The kickoff comment is what made me think of it.
 
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Name an NFL player who started playing football at 20 and became a success. Jarryd Hayne who grew up playing the sport American football evolved from and was cut from his team after one season despite being one of the most physical gifted athletes in the world? Even then these are special team guys, not quarterback, not wide receiver, not linebacker, not safety, they are guys brought in to run down the field and make 20mph collisions in the 5 kickoffs that occur every game so the guys with skill dont get paralyzed.
I don't know many nfl players that well, but Christian Okoye and Jimmy Graham were 23 when they started.

There are a lot who focused on other sports then moved, like Antonio Gates, but they will have played American football at some point probably. That arenas guy could tell you loads of them.
 
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I don't know many nfl players that will, but Christian Okoye and Jimmy Graham were 23 when they started.

There are a lot who focused on other sports then moved, like Antonio Gates, but they will have played American football at some point probably. That arenas guy could tell you loads of them.
Jimmy Graham played football in high school and chose basketball for college before switching back to football his senior year. You are correct about Okoye but that was one guy 30 years ago,.

I see Okoye and raise you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Kaiser_(footballer)#Career Now name one NFL player who carved out such an illustrious career without ever actually playing
 
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Jimmy Graham played football in high school and chose basketball for college before switching back to football his senior year. You are correct about Okoye but that was one guy 30 years ago,.

I see Okoye and raise you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Kaiser_(footballer)#Career Now name one NFL player who carved out such an illustrious career without ever actually playing
I do think Graham is relevant though. It's hard to imagine someone stopping playing football for 3 years to play rugby, then successfully switching back and getting to the top level.

Football just has a wider skill set, skill is also more important to success than in nfl.
 

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I do think Graham is relevant though. It's hard to imagine someone stopping playing football for 3 years to play rugby, then successfully switching back and getting to the top level.

Football just has a wider skill set, skill is also more important to success than in nfl.
Jimmy Graham played football his whole life. Hardly picked it up on the fly dude he? He was also average when he did play at Miami and was drafted 95th over all. He then sat behind a great player for a year and was bang average again, then exploded his sophomore year. Oh he also had the 2 top 5 QBs of all-time throwing to him his entire career.
 
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Jimmy Graham played football his whole life. Hardly picked it up on the fly dude he? He was also average when he did play at Miami and was drafted 95th over all. He then sat behind a great player for a year and was bang average again, then exploded his sophomore year. Oh he also had the 2 top 5 QBs of all-time throwing to him his entire career.
He wasn't playing at college. Not properly anyway. Maybe some pick up stuff, but not full scale football.

You're not taking taking from 18 - 22 out from football to play another sport then going back and making it in a top league. Particularly in the modern era.