Hey smart guys, how do we fix the violent crime problem in the USA?

Jun 4, 2013
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Seriously. I've had some of the most enlightening conversations with you guys?

How do we address this issue. It's clearly more complicated then "take all the guns from people". What are the underlying causes and how do we address them?
 
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Tuff Gong

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I think it will require a HUGE cultural shift/reformation from grass roots up.

What I see as an outsider is a nation of people divided between the haves & the have nots.

The haves are patriotic & support the government no matter what because they're getting what they want, while the have nots don't trust the government because they aren't getting what they want.

It strikes me there isnt a great sense of community amongst people in the US unless it's due to banding together against a common enemy, rather than out of pure goodwill.

Until the US as a whole learns to love their fellow man instead of hating him because he has more/less than he has, I dont think the violence will go away.
 

Slick Ric

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Violent crime nationwide is way down since I was a kid. I think the fake news media is just trying to scare the shit out of people and it seems to be working. People these days on a whole are a bunch of pussy ass bitches compared to when I was growing up. That said, I believe most violent crime stems from poverty. How do people come out of poverty? Opportunities, and their willingness/ability to take advantage of them. Definitely not handouts.
 
Jun 4, 2013
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Violent crime nationwide is way down since I was a kid. I think the fake news media is just trying to scare the shit out of people and it seems to be working. People these days on a whole are a bunch of pussy ass bitches compared to when I was growing up. That said, I believe most violent crime stems from poverty. How do people come out of poverty? Opportunities, and their willingness/ability to take advantage of them. Definitely not handouts.
I hear ya.

I agree, I came up in the 80s and 90s. Super violent time in our history. I also agree that people nowadays are soft compared to when I was coming up. It's clearly less violent in this day and age. The media definitely plays a role in sensationalizing every incident that occurs. There were no 24 hour news cycles when I was a kiddo and a teenager. I don't really remember seeing them until the early 2000s or so.

Poverty plays a huge role in violent crime. How do we address it? I like what @Tuff Gong said. When you have a society of haves and have nots that is naturally going to breed resentment and hate. What do we do?
 

Slick Ric

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I hear ya.

I agree, I came up in the 80s and 90s. Super violent time in our history. I also agree that people nowadays are soft compared to when I was coming up. It's clearly less violent in this day and age. The media definitely plays a role in sensationalizing every incident that occurs. There were no 24 hour news cycles when I was a kiddo and a teenager. I don't really remember seeing them until the early 2000s or so.

Poverty plays a huge role in violent crime. How do we address it? I like what @Tuff Gong said. When you have a society of haves and have nots that is naturally going to breed resentment and hate. What do we do?
I don’t hate poor people. I just don’t want them in my neighborhood. Like I said, opportunities, not handouts, are the key, but the person has to be willing and able to take advantage of those opportunities. Unfortunately there is a small percentage of people who lack the ability to do so (like they’re mentally or physically incapable) and a much larger percentage who are not willing to grind their way up because they’re straight up lazy and feel entitled. As for the first group, they need help and I’m one of the first in line for that. As for the second group, in my experience the last thing they need is free shit and to be told that they’re somehow victims. Those people need a swift kick in the dick, not enabling.
 
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It´s a combination of many things.
The most important being poverty, lack of jobs and opportunities, lack of education... which is obvious really. Look at what happened with the italian-americans in USA... a lot of them turned to crime back in the day... today ? not really.... because now there are a lot of options, nobody will want to be a mobster and die in prison while he can be a doctor. They grew up differently than the previous generations and that changed everything.

But the culture of the place is important too, combined with poverty and lack of opportunities, certain places view violence and crime as something cool, glamourization, it was talked about in another thread recently.

I don´t think gun laws are that important, it makes easier to kill but you would still have the same amount of people trying to kill with knifes and shit, less deaths would occur maybe... but nobody suddenly becames a murderer because of the gun.

On the other hand, humans are violent and always will be simply due to genetics, why men are more violent than women ? Hormones and shit really.....
 
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I don’t hate poor people. I just don’t want them in my neighborhood. Like I said, opportunities, not handouts, are the key, but the person has to be willing and able to take advantage of those opportunities. Unfortunately there is a small percentage of people who lack the ability to do so (like they’re mentally or physically incapable) and a much larger percentage who are not willing to grind their way up because they’re straight up lazy and feel entitled. As for the first group, they need help and I’m one of the first in line for that. As for the second group, in my experience the last thing they need is free shit and to be told that they’re somehow victims. Those people need a swift kick in the dick, not enabling.
I think you mighy be the most loathsome scumbag in existence
 
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I get you guys like guns but you don't need assault rifles for home protection, stop the sale of assault rifles and weapons that fire 500 rounds per minute. Only allow them to be used at gun ranges, mabye only allow civilians to carry handguns.
 
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As you say it's far more complex than just taking people's guns away. In the UK we've seen an increase in violent crime even during the period when crime overall was dropping and we do not have the gun culture the US has. While more strict gun rules might help avoid some mass shootings in the US and reduce more serious violent crimes it won't fix the fact our societies are becoming more violent in general.

Poverty and the ever increasing divide in wealth between the haves and have not's is an issue. Greater equality throughout society in general tends to lead to a more happy society and therefore law abiding. And I'm not just talking about wealth disparity but also equality in opportunity such as education.

Break down of the families could be a big issue. Broken families or absentee parents to raise children could be leading to children being groomed into gangs and a life of crime which may not happen if parents were more present in their child's upbringing. Of course this is linked to poverty though not exclusively so.

In the UK much of the violent crime is being linked to the rise in the drugs trade which some say is due to a greatly reduced police force.

I think the prison and judicial system in general has a role too. A good system should try and prevent criminals returning to the cycle of crime but let's be honest that isn't a priority for our judicial systems. The prison system in the UK right now is on it's knees due to under funding which led to not enough prison officers and many of the most experienced officers finding different careers.
 
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As you say it's far more complex than just taking people's guns away. In the UK we've seen an increase in violent crime even during the period when crime overall was dropping and we do not have the gun culture the US has. While more strict gun rules might help avoid some mass shootings in the US and reduce more serious violent crimes it won't fix the fact our societies are becoming more violent in general.

Poverty and the ever increasing divide in wealth between the haves and have not's is an issue. Greater equality throughout society in general tends to lead to a more happy society and therefore law abiding. And I'm not just talking about wealth disparity but also equality in opportunity such as education.

Break down of the families could be a big issue. Broken families or absentee parents to raise children could be leading to children being groomed into gangs and a life of crime which may not happen if parents were more present in their child's upbringing. Of course this is linked to poverty though not exclusively so.

In the UK much of the violent crime is being linked to the rise in the drugs trade which some say is due to a greatly reduced police force.

I think the prison and judicial system in general has a role too. A good system should try and prevent criminals returning to the cycle of crime but let's be honest that isn't a priority for our judicial systems. The prison system in the UK right now is on it's knees due to under funding which led to not enough prison officers and many of the most experienced officers finding different careers.
Poverty and young men feeling they don't have a positive future or a route to a happy successful life will fuel violent crime. The more young men that are excluded from even getting on the ladder, never mind climbing the ladder to the point they can afford a decent house, provide for a family and have a reasonably comfortable existence in exchange for a days work, the more crime we will see in society.

This is just general crime though, not these mass shooter weirdo's, fuck knows what we do about that other than be more diligent in identifying and treating people with serious mental issues. I had a friend as a kid who developed schizophrenia in his late teen years, they had him on medication and such like but other than that left to his own devices... you're talking full-on hearing voices in his head, collecting bottles of his own piss... he was sleeping out a family members car having been thrown out his brothers house, he swallowed a bunch of pills and got rushed to hospital... they pumped his stomach, cleaned him up and let him out the next day ... 24 hours later his body was found up the woods.

If this had been in America, there's every chance that could have turned into a mass shooting.

Then we need to look at the media and their irresponsible ramping up of rhetoric in a quest for views, clicks and money.
 
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I get you guys like guns but you don't need assault rifles for home protection, stop the sale of assault rifles and weapons that fire 500 rounds per minute. Only allow them to be used at gun ranges, mabye only allow civilians to carry handguns.
Semi auto rifles are just as capable if not more effective due to being more precise and they can be fired relatively fast.

To address the question,
Education, access to better education for all creates new opportunities, as well as making people more equipt as a human being for life in general
The education system in the UK is piss poor at the basic level same in the US i imagine.