Hey smart guys, how do we fix the violent crime problem in the USA?

Haggis

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Aye, it's about the size of Philly. And last year Philly had 351 murders, so ten times the number in New Zealand.
In March, one guy killed more people in one room than were murdered in the entire country for the entire year previous. Took him about six minutes, with no training at all.

But what if I want to go deer hunting with a 30 round magazine? :rolleyes

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From what I recall based on their military call up systems, both Switzerland and Israel have high rates of gun ownership, including semi automatic rifles. The Swiss, at least by my observation, also ran one of the most orderly, peaceful societies in the world. It seems like they view weapons as what they are, which is a tool; rather than a problem solver like in the US.
Aye, as I said, culture is not without a role. Switzerland also doesn't have dense urban environments with high poverty.

There's a very interesting theory about pride/honour culture being bigger in the south of the USA than the north, hence a higher murder rate there. The south never had the full penetration of the state, and remained more about family honour, settling your own differences etc, and this might even be traceable to the people who settled the respective regions.

Anyway, it's too long to get into, but it's an interesting concept with some good evidence. You see it first hand too. In countries like Vietnam where I've lived, or Thailand where I spent some time...face culture is the same thing as pride/honour, and with a less developed police and state, people are far more likely to take action into their own hands. It's all interesting stuff.
 
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I know, the idea of them having a nuclear program was comical. I was against the war for a lot of reasons; but even the US Army retroactively admitted our guys had been exposed and approving treatment for it. Chlorine was just the example that came to mind, there were a few other nerve agents that guys were exposed to there.
Yeah, but it appears that the majority of that was old stock from the 80's and early 90's...much of it in rusting containers etc.
 

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Yeah, but it appears that the majority of that was old stock from the 80's and early 90's...much of it in rusting containers etc.
And a conspicuous absence of yellowcake.

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What do you mean?

Why would people call the emergency line when they clearly don't have an emergency situation on their hands? Boogie will confirm that we ask ourselves that a hundred times every shift.



What types of calls?

Old women thinking they have a prowler outside? All the time.

People thinking that there's a burglar in the living room? Pretty common.

Actual violent home invasions? Maybe 3-4 in a year. Almost 100% to be a gang war.

Someone calls the cops because they hear an argument inside the house next door? Most nights.

Someone calls the cops because a car backfired down the street and they thought it was a gun? Couple of times a week. Much more after the massacre.

Someone gets raped in their own house by a stranger who broke in at night? Never taken that call.

Someone gets into a violent confrontation with a gun-toting burglar? Never taken that call.



Now, since I've answered everything you've asked me, can you answer just one thing I've asked you?

How many New Zealanders do you reckon are murdered inside their own home by strangers in a given year? You seem to feel pretty strongly about secure storage being a shit idea - you must have a pretty good idea of the numbers behind that, right?

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So, 1 in 3 people own a gun yet there were only 35 murders in that year.

Seems like having plenty of guns about isn't a problem.
 
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Also, we have 160 people per 100,000 in prison. You have around 5x that.
This is why non Americans should not be listened to about American problems. You live in a totally different culture. If you live in a low crime country it is easy to tell Americans what they do about guns.
 

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This is why non Americans should not be listened to about American problems. You live in a totally different culture. If you live in a low crime country it is easy to tell Americans what they do about guns.
I don't live in a low crime country.

I live in a low murder country. With a judicial system that views imprisonment as a last resort, especially for non-violent/non-sexual offenders. :thumbsup

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More than 70 fatalities every year of kids under 13 shooting themselves dead by accident. That's just the worst case scenario.

And hundreds of thousands of guns hit the streets every year after having been stolen from people's houses.

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Yes, and there are like 400 million guns in this country. Are some people irresponsible with them and let their kids get ahold of them? Yeah. Do some people break into other people’s houses and steal their guns, cash, electronics, even their safes? Yeah. Those people should all be shot.
 

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I don't live in a low crime country.

I live in a low murder country. With a judicial system that views imprisonment as a last resort, especially for non-violent/non-sexual offenders. :thumbsup

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See Los Angeles and San Francisco for examples of that being tried here. Fucking homeless junkie zombies everywhere stealing from the working people and stinking up the streets with piss.
 

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That's too simple though. Murder IS easier to do with a gun not just because it's more effective, but because it takes less commitment, it allows a split second of red mist to become murder. It takes a lot more commitment to kill to get face to face with someone and stick a blade into their body over and over. It takes far more ongoing rage to pick up a hammer and beat someone to death. But a moment of rage, pull a trigger...it's easier. It's more detached too. Even gangs with guns might see a stabbing as a better test of a members mettle.

If you look at the figures for fights, assaults etc...Britain is comparable to you guys. If London gangs had easy, cheap access to guns like they do in say New Orleans or Baltimore...our murder rate would be FAR higher than it is.

But for sure, culture plays a part too. South Korea could have a gun in every house and it would never have the murder rate of the US...it would just see an even higher suicide rate and a few more murders.
Also far more likely to produce mass killings with semi-automatic guns, which is the real issue here. If someone wants to kill ONE other person, they generally aren't arming themselves like Rambo to do it.
 
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I don't live in a low crime country.

I live in a low murder country. With a judicial system that views imprisonment as a last resort, especially for non-violent/non-sexual offenders. :thumbsup

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Okay a low murder country. I am making the same argument.

There are not enough people in jail in the USA. Proof of that is the fact that so few will put money into high crime areas. They won't because there are still too many criminals around.
 
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Look at the gun death rates.

Also, our government can't put us to death here. :thumbsup

Also, our political system gives us far more options than Team Red or Team Blue (both owned 100% by lobbyists and mega-rich donors).

Also, the NZ government is consistently ranked as being the most transparent and least corrupt in the world (along with Denmark). Whereas your government is a cesspool of corruption.

Also, we have 160 people per 100,000 in prison. You have around 5x that.

Also, New Zealanders don't get trained into the cringeworthy "thank you for your service!" routine every time we see a soldier in uniform in public.

And so on, and so on.

Seems like you guys are a hell of a lot more under the government thumb than we are. :thumbsup

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Not on topic here but I know a cunt in the army here in Aus that thinks he's gods gift to us all. He's full sucked in on the bandwagon that he should be thanked for his service and what not. The knob is like a friend of a friend so he pops up in my circle a bit. Apart from the 2 lads who bring him in all of us all think he's a wanker.

He's done nothing but sit round and pack parachutes or some shit, never been in combat or anything to stop any legit threat to us here down under. But thinks he's owed something for his service....... yeh fuck that off
 
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He's done nothing but sit round and pack parachutes or some shit, never been in combat or anything to stop any legit threat to us here down under. But thinks he's owed something for his service....... yeh fuck that off
We call those POGs and they don't count as people. I've worked with Aussie diggers before, mostly sound lads and fantastic soldiers.
 

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Also far more likely to produce mass killings with semi-automatic guns, which is the real issue here. If someone wants to kill ONE other person, they generally aren't arming themselves like Rambo to do it.
Mass killings are hardly the real issue here. They account for only a very small fraction of homicides, let alone violent crime overall, which is what this thread is about.
 
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