How did the US become a superpower?

Haggis

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Easy question. Possibly a complicated answer? We are a young nation, how did the USA rise to prominence so quickly?


What do you think?
Your country is the size of a continent, with immense natural resources, a massive population and a culture of materialism and production.

The leading superpower was Europe.

Then Europe completely fucked itself and turned into a continent-wide nightmare of burned rubble. At around the same time, Europe was giving up its own colonial properties.

While Europe was burning itself down, US industry shifted into overdrive. After the war you had massive infrastructure and manufacturing capabilities, and nothing was destroyed or damaged from the war. You didn't have to rebuild - instead your national infrastructure, national confidence and national wealth had exploded. Europe had to rebuild burned-out cities from the ground up, and restore confidence in a massively deprived, depleted and traumatised population. You guys had to switch production lines from bombers to cars, and then sell the cars. :thumbsup

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Your country is the size of a continent, with immense natural resources, a massive population and a culture of materialism and production.

The leading superpower was Europe.

Then Europe completely fucked itself and turned into a continent-wide nightmare of burned rubble. At around the same time, Europe was giving up its own colonial properties.

While Europe was burning itself down, US industry shifted into overdrive. After the war you had massive infrastructure and manufacturing capabilities, and nothing was destroyed or damaged from the war. You didn't have to rebuild - instead your national infrastructure and wealth had exploded. Europe had to rebuild burned-out cities - you had to switch production lines from bombers to cars. :thumbsup

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Definitely. So we rose to prominence specifically after WW2? Do you think the rise of our geo political clout and economic strength led to directly to the Cold War? How is it influencing us today?
 

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Easy question. Possibly a complicated answer? We are a young nation, how did the USA rise to prominence so quickly?


What do you think?
Others have already touched on resources, size, population and ww2. Ill touch on some that are often missed

1. Stability


The USA is actually one of the oldest most stable countries in existence.

Countries like Germany and Italy have only been unified for the last 150 years. Before that they were a bunch of minor principalities often at war with eachother.

Others like France went from an authoritarian dictatorship, to a republic, to an authoritarian dictatorship, to an oligarchy, to an authoritarian dictatorship, to a republic, to a fascist puppet government to a parliamentary republic, to a more federal republic like we have in the USA. All within the span of 200 years. The current government of France is the 5th Republic.


In that time frame despite the Civil War where the US government was in very little danger of bring toppled the US government has operated the same for 230 years.


2. National Unity



This ties into what was described above. Due to most European countries only being united recently most peoples within these countries were more loyal to their state than their country.

For instance until the 20th century a Italian person wouldve considered themselves a Lombard, Sicilian, Roman, a Genovese before they thought of themselves as Italian. A German would be Prussian, Bavarian, Saxon ect. Even in today there is a heavy independence movement in Catalonia in Spain. When you see soccer teams beating the shit out of eachother, those are centuries even Millenia old rivalies.

American nationalism on the other hand has been unrivaled for centuries. Yes there are regional and cultural differences but you generally want to be in the club rather than being left out.


3. No natural predators.

Where as most countries had to allocate a significant portion of their GDP to defense, the US being bordered by 2 docile neighbors and 2 vast oceans never had to worry about funding a large national army. A benefit of not having to allocate resources to the military besides using that money for civic benefit is the less militarized your society the freer it becomes. The more free your society the easier you can distribute capital. We can see the invert of this in America and western europe today.


For example the standing army of the United States prior to the Civil War was 15,000. Most of which busy ethnically cleansing the west.

When the civil war brokeout most American forts in the south were almost empty. One fort in Florida had one US sargeant and a custodian in it who handed the confederates a receipt for supplies had on back order thay he wanted to be compensated for.



4. Even without world war 2, the US becoming a superpower was inevitable.

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The US had long surpassed the British Empire in GDP by the time World War 2 kicked off. Most of that wealth was theft from india.
 
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Haggis

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Others have already touched on resources, size, population and ww2. Ill touch on some that are often missed

1. Stability


The USA is actually one of the oldest most stable countries in existence.

Countries like Germany and Italy have only been unified for the last 150 years. Before that they were a bunch of minor principalities often at war with eachother.

Others like France went from an authoritarian dictatorship, to a republic, to an authoritarian dictatorship, to an oligarchy, to an authoritarian dictatorship, to a republic, to a fascist puppet government to a parliamentary republic, to a more federal republic like we have in the USA. All within the span of 200 years. The current government of France is the 5th Republic.


In that time frame despite the Civil War where the US government was in very little danger of bring toppled the US government has operated the same for 230 years.


2. National Unity



This ties into what was described above. Due to most European countries only being united recently most peoples within these countries were more loyal to their state than their country.

For instance until the 20th century a Italian person wouldve considered themselves a Lombard, Sicilian, Roman, a Genovese before they thought of themselves as Italian. A German would be Prussian, Bavarian, Saxon ect. Even in today there is a heavy independence movement in Catalonia in Spain. When you see soccer teams beating the shit out of eachother, those are centuries even Millenia old rivalies.

American nationalism on the other hand has been unrivaled for centuries. Yes there are regional and cultural differences but you generally want to be in the club rather than being left out.


3. No natural predators.

Where as most countries had to allocate a significant portion of their GDP to defense, the US being bordered by 2 docile neighbors and 2 vast oceans never had to worry about funding a large national army. A benefit of not having to allocate resources to the military besides using that money for civic benefit is the less militarized your society the freer it becomes. The more free your society the easier you can distribute capital. We can see the invert of this in America and western europe today.


For example the standing army of the United States prior to the Civil War was 15,000. Most of which busy ethnically cleansing the west.

When the civil war brokeout most American forts in the south were almost empty. One fort in Florida had one US sargeant and a custodian in it who handed the confederates a receipt for supplies had on back order thay he wanted to be compensated for.



4. Even without world war 2, the US becoming a superpower was inevitable.

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The US had long surpassed the British Empire in GDP by the time World War 2 kicked off. Most of that wealth was theft from india.
So much like of this post. Would hit the like button twice if I could.

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kf3

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So much like of this post. Would hit the like button twice if I could.

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why? your first answer is the actual reason, that post is not the reason, is mostly irrelevant and is strongly biased by his usual politically motivated bullshit
 
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Haggis

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why? your first answer is the actual reason, that post is not the reason and is a bunch of irrelevances and his usual politically motivated bullshit
Because I like good, thought-out, insightful posts that people have taken a bit of trouble to write out. I don't have to completely agree 100% with every line to think it's a worthwhile and interesting contribution. :conf

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kf3

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Because I like good, thought-out, insightful posts that people have taken a bit of trouble to write out. I don't have to completely agree 100% with every line to think it's a worthwhile and interesting contribution. :conf

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copy paste meme guy just copy pasted it from somewhere. and like i said, you already knew the actual answer.
 

Haggis

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copy paste meme guy just copy pasted it from somewhere. and like i said, you already knew the actual answer.
Nah, MW has a very solid historical knowledge base when he chooses to use it instead of just spamming articles. I don't see that being a cut and paste job, that sort of post is well within his capabilities. :good

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Haggis

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The stability of government /society part over such an enormous country in particular is massively important, and something that I didn't even allude to in my post.

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Europe was the world power but got stuck with petty infighting weakening itself.

America took advantage.

There was lap brain drain. The best EU minds left Europe.

America also protected its interests and the Europeans did not. Specifically protectionism for business.

But first and foremost it was the infighting in Europe.....which when you think about it is eeirly similar to the whole left/right SJW/conservative movements we have no splitting us whilst unified countries like China and the Asian continent charge ahead. And I've said this many times in the past. But hey ho.......
 
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The French, Spanish and British fought among themselves, France and Spain were like fuck this and left the US to a group of traitorous British guys who fought against the crown, won and ended up building up the US.
 
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Definitely. So we rose to prominence specifically after WW2? Do you think the rise of our geo political clout and economic strength led to directly to the Cold War? How is it influencing us today?
Well, before WWII the U.S. was in a very long depression with high unemployment, most of the population living at, or near poverty level with many fleeing their home states to try to find employment or somewhat better living conditions in other states-------Oklahoma Dust Bowl migration type situations.

FDR instituted Federal Programs to help with unemployment, but it's no secret WWII took the U.S. out of the Depression and got this country back on its feet and off and running.

And not only is the U.S. a large land mass, it was also isolated from the destruction that rained down in Europe, Africa, the Soviet Union and Pacific nations.
 
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Smart people - relatively
Lots of People
Hungry People
Nationalistic People.
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The smart people part is just not true.
Sure there are smart people but the average tank is dumber then shit.
They know very little about history, geography and sversl other subjects

I have seen yanks on tv being interviewed who could not point out Spain on a worldmap.

Well i am sorry but if you are that dumb you need to be executed (this Goes also for non americans ofcourse)
 
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