How Does Boxrec Have Patterson Ranked 4th All Time At Heavyweight?

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Massive run at top of sport? But yeah boxrec rankings so pointless stuff
Where do they fail compared to tennis rankings? Can't they use the same system as the ATP?
 
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Where do they fail compared to tennis rankings? Can't they use the same system as the ATP?
ATP points are assigned based on level of competition and final position (like all structured sports) - cant see how its transferable to boxing.
 
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ATP points are assigned based on level of competition and final position (like all structured sports) - cant see how its transferable to boxing.
Yes. In tennis and golf they have regular events where most of the top players compete against each other over and over again.

Boxing has no structure, and in the modern era fighters rarely compete against one another more than once, if ever. It is harder to ascribe meaningful points to results.

I still think their rankings are a useful reference point, you just need to apply some common sense and qualitative reasoning.
 
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That's the worst heavyweight list I've ever seen. By a LONG way. Gene Tunney gets in the top ten for having a total of three fights at heavyweight. :lol: No Lennox Lewis and no George Foreman. :lol:
 

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I've seen it explained that Boxrec rankings are done via some computerised system based on various criteria.
 
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That's the worst heavyweight list I've ever seen. By a LONG way. Gene Tunney gets in the top ten for having a total of three fights at heavyweight. :lol: No Lennox Lewis and no George Foreman. :lol:
Just looked and it is all over the place.

Doesn't seem to be able to cope with fighters moving weight class. Hence Tunney and Holyfield being so high. Also David Haye at 24 and Guillermo Jones as the 43rd best heavy of all time!?
 
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Just looked and it is all over the place.

Doesn't seem to be able to cope with fighters moving weight class. Hence Tunney and Holyfield being so high. Also David Haye at 24 and Guillermo Jones as the 43rd best heavy of all time!?
:lol: It's an absolutely woeful system, because they've can rationalise it any way they like, but they've ended up producing a top ten that pretty much every boxing fan on the planet would laugh at and call appalling.
 

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Just looked and it is all over the place.

Doesn't seem to be able to cope with fighters moving weight class. Hence Tunney and Holyfield being so high. Also David Haye at 24 and Guillermo Jones as the 43rd best heavy of all time!?
It's obviously a terrible list, but I always thought Holyfield gets underrated in a P4P sense. He moved up all the way from light heavy to heavyweight and was almost always the smaller man vs the heavyweight monsters of the 90s.
 
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It's obviously a terrible list, but I always thought Holyfield gets underrated in a P4P sense. He moved up all the way from light heavy to heavyweight and was almost always the smaller man vs the heavyweight monsters of the 90s.
Don't think Holyfield ever fought professionally at LHW
 

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I had to boxrec it. Both were over the LHW limit.
While that is true, and I also noticed that when I boxrec'd it, the fight was still officially a light heavyweight bout.

holyfield did not officially campaign at cruiserweight until he fought Tyrone Booze in 1985.
 
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While that is true, and I also noticed that when I boxrec'd it, the fight was still officially a light heavyweight bout.

holyfield did not officially campaign at cruiserweight until he fought Tyrone Booze in 1985.
Interesting. I'm intrigued now, will have look into why he fought over-the-weight contests now.
 
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Man, if I were to come up with a way to rank fighters using a computer algorithm, I'd have to think about maybe doing a weighted network or something.
 
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Interesting. I'm intrigued now, will have look into why he fought over-the-weight contests now.
It's not too uncommon for boxers to fight 2-3lbs over the limit when there isn't a title on the line. Although it is interesting Holyfield abandoned the division so early; maybe he was struggling too much to boil down or the path to a world title was easier at cruiser.
 
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It's obviously a terrible list, but I always thought Holyfield gets underrated in a P4P sense. He moved up all the way from light heavy to heavyweight and was almost always the smaller man vs the heavyweight monsters of the 90s.
Having Holyfield in your top ten is justifiable, having him in but not having Lewis or Foreman is laughable. Fucking Tunney in the top 10 ever...for THREE bouts. :lol:
 

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Having Holyfield in your top ten is justifiable, having him in but not having Lewis or Foreman is laughable. Fucking Tunney in the top 10 ever...for THREE bouts. :lol:
Yeah, agreed. Foreman and Lewis are definite top 5 HWs. Tunney to me was very advanced for his time and quite a good mover with a nice jab, but definitely not top 10.

I was talking about holyfield's p4p greatness by the way not necessarily his ranking as a heavyweight.
 
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It's not too uncommon for boxers to fight 2-3lbs over the limit when there isn't a title on the line. Although it is interesting Holyfield abandoned the division so early; maybe he was struggling too much to boil down or the path to a world title was easier at cruiser.
Fair points. Bit ingenious of record books say he turned over at LHW when never made limit.
 
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