If Pacquiao retired today, where would you rank him all time?

Where would you rank Pacquiao all time?


  • Total voters
    18
Jun 6, 2013
12,512
1,461
Top ten, for sure.

He did too much in too many weight classes not to be there. Plus, AFAIK, he never ducked anyone.

I'd certainly rank him ahead of Floyd, whom he likely would have KTFO if they had fought in their primes.
 
Reactions: DynamicMoves
Apr 5, 2020
77
100
Top ten, for sure.

He did too much in too many weight classes not to be there. Plus, AFAIK, he never ducked anyone.

I'd certainly rank him ahead of Floyd, whom he likely would have KTFO if they had fought in their primes.
Pacquiao is a phenomenal talent and arguably the greatest fighter we have seen since Pernell Whitaker, but I still find it hard to believe that any seasoned boxing fan would have expected Manny to have stopped Floyd Mayweather in his prime. I would understand if their actual fight was close and/or if Floyd ever came close to being stopped in his prime, but neither of those things are reality.

Staying on topic though, I think 25-30 is appropriate given his success through the weight classes and the names on his resume. He managed to surpass the Alexis Arguello's and Julio Cesar Chavez's of the world, in my opinion.
 

dominus

Going the full Gonzo
Sep 16, 2013
757
327
Probably top 30 at least. He has done things nobody else ever has.
 
Jul 15, 2012
3,293
978
Pacquiao is a phenomenal talent and arguably the greatest fighter we have seen since Pernell Whitaker, but I still find it hard to believe that any seasoned boxing fan would have expected Manny to have stopped Floyd Mayweather in his prime. I would understand if their actual fight was close and/or if Floyd ever came close to being stopped in his prime, but neither of those things are reality.

Staying on topic though, I think 25-30 is appropriate given his success through the weight classes and the names on his resume. He managed to surpass the Alexis Arguello's and Julio Cesar Chavez's of the world, in my opinion.
Floyd almost got stopped by a past prime Mosley. He only fought a handful of fighters at their best. He cherry picked for years. He couldn't have done a better job with building his record, but the record won't be viewed in the same light as other greats.

The Manny Pacquiao I saw 10 years ago would have ate his ass alive. Run him out the ring. He was too fast with his feet and hands. A knockout artist too. I saw all their fights and have most of their fights on tape still. Floyd avoided that fight for many years and when Pacman was no longer the same the fight happened.

I think prime for prime Pacman would have clearly won a decision. If Floyd has too many insecure moments then he gets stopped.
 

tommygun711

You don't have the capability for mayhem
Jun 4, 2013
13,289
4,537
30
Floyd almost got stopped by a past prime Mosley. He only fought a handful of fighters at their best. He cherry picked for years. He couldn't have done a better job with building his record, but the record won't be viewed in the same light as other greats.

The Manny Pacquiao I saw 10 years ago would have ate his ass alive. Run him out the ring. He was too fast with his feet and hands. A knockout artist too. I saw all their fights and have most of their fights on tape still. Floyd avoided that fight for many years and when Pacman was no longer the same the fight happened.

I think prime for prime Pacman would have clearly won a decision. If Floyd has too many insecure moments then he gets stopped.
I mean, he didn't almost get stopped by Mosley. Floyd was badly hurt, clearly rocked, maybe almost knocked down but he was not almost stopped.

I tend to think if Floyd and Pacquiao had fought in 2009 or so it would have been a battle but floyd would have outpointed him. Pac struggled badly with good counter punchers. I do think Pacquiaos angles, power, awkwardness, speed, volume and combination punching would make things very difficult, but I don't see why Pacquiao would really win. Floyd was the better technician and he would have figured Pacquiao out I think after struggling.

Its a shame they did not fight in their primes, a real shame. It would have been Floyd's signature victory over a prime ATG.

anyway I rate Pacquiao probably in the top 30. He has a great record, a helluva resume and his weight jumping is just insane.
 
Apr 5, 2020
77
100
Floyd almost got stopped by a past prime Mosley. He only fought a handful of fighters at their best. He cherry picked for years. He couldn't have done a better job with building his record, but the record won't be viewed in the same light as other greats.

The Manny Pacquiao I saw 10 years ago would have ate his ass alive. Run him out the ring. He was too fast with his feet and hands. A knockout artist too. I saw all their fights and have most of their fights on tape still. Floyd avoided that fight for many years and when Pacman was no longer the same the fight happened.

I think prime for prime Pacman would have clearly won a decision. If Floyd has too many insecure moments then he gets stopped.
I respect your opinion, but I will have to disagree.
 
Jul 15, 2012
3,293
978
I mean, he didn't almost get stopped by Mosley. Floyd was badly hurt, clearly rocked, maybe almost knocked down but he was not almost stopped.

I tend to think if Floyd and Pacquiao had fought in 2009 or so it would have been a battle but floyd would have outpointed him. Pac struggled badly with good counter punchers. I do think Pacquiaos angles, power, awkwardness, speed, volume and combination punching would make things very difficult, but I don't see why Pacquiao would really win. Floyd was the better technician and he would have figured Pacquiao out I think after struggling.

Its a shame they did not fight in their primes, a real shame. It would have been Floyd's signature victory over a prime ATG.

anyway I rate Pacquiao probably in the top 30. He has a great record, a helluva resume and his weight jumping is just insane.
They never fought in their prime because Floyd wanted blood testing the two weeks leading up to the fight which Pac wasn't willing to do.

Half of people out there say Floyd would have won, but it's a shame he did not feel the same. An even fight was always too much risk involved. It's hard to argue Floyd would have won when he avoided the fight. He didn't feel he could win until Marquez caught Pac.

Come forward fighters don't last as long and I'll argue that Floyd got better as his career went on (more seasoned and stronger). 10-15 years ago was Prime Pacquiao.
 
Reactions: tommygun711

tommygun711

You don't have the capability for mayhem
Jun 4, 2013
13,289
4,537
30
They never fought in their prime because Floyd wanted blood testing the two weeks leading up to the fight which Pac wasn't willing to do.

Half of people out there say Floyd would have won, but it's a shame he did not feel the same. An even fight was always too much risk involved. It's hard to argue Floyd would have won when he avoided the fight. He didn't feel he could win until Marquez caught Pac.

Come forward fighters don't last as long and I'll argue that Floyd got better as his career went on (more seasoned and stronger). 10-15 years ago was Prime Pacquiao.
well I have no comment really on who avoided the fight and who is to blame. I think they both share some of the blame.

For what it is worth, in the end Pacquiao signed up for the drug testing program that he initially rejected, and also for a lower % split of the purse than was offered in the prior years..

Pacquiao also has amazing longevity. He just fucked up an undefeated Keith Thurman FFS and looked very good doing it.
 
Jun 5, 2013
1,126
67
I’m not informed enough to rank boxers pre 1950s. But for me he, Pac is top 30.
And it is very hard to compare athletes from different eras in organized sports.
No version of Hatton, Cotto or Mosley would beat prime and not so prime Pac. And I like all those 3 boxers. His record vs HoF Mexicans is excellent. He has a small chance beating PBF but odds will always be against him.
 
May 17, 2013
10,743
8,996
Louisiana
Top Ten easily for me. He's won 12 titles over 8 different divisions, the only boxer to have ever done that. By my best count, 42 of his 79 fights have been for titles, either in defenses of trying to capture them.

Add to that the fact he's still fighting at a high level in his early 40's and he is truly remarkable since most small guys burn out and lose a lot by their early to mid 30's.

And then add to that the fact he's not dodged any fighters over his career like some of his contemporaries looking to protect that "0" in the loss column.


ETA: Personally, my vote for GOAT is Sugar Ray Robinson, but Manny is nipping at his heels in my opinion.
 
Last edited:
Apr 5, 2020
77
100
Top Ten easily for me. He's won 12 titles over 8 different divisions, the only boxer to have ever done that. By my best count, 42 of his 79 fights have been for titles, either in defenses of trying to capture them.

Add to that the fact he's still fighting at a high level in his early 40's and he is truly remarkable since most small guys burn out and lose a lot by their early to mid 30's.

And then add to that the fact he's not dodged any fighters over his career like some of his contemporaries looking to protect that "0" in the loss column.


ETA: Personally, my vote for GOAT is Sugar Ray Robinson, but Manny is nipping at his heels in my opinion.
Are you referring to the man that soundly beat Manny Pacquiao?
 
Jul 6, 2019
4,970
5,154
It's too tricky to rank across eras, but he's top 2 of his era and would give any man in history, from feather to welter, a fight. Which is really the most important thing.

Without doing the required legwork, I'll say he should be about 15, but I wouldn't argue too much with anyone who has him anywhere between 30 and 5.
 
Reactions: Color Theory

Sittin Sonny

THE KANYENATOR
Jun 10, 2013
5,217
4,160
st-st-st-stronger
I think the comeback win over Thurman secures him a spot in the bottom half of the top 10. That win was roughly equivalent to Duran beating Barkley IMO.

Prior to that, he could still be argued for the top 10, but it was debatable IMO.
 
Jun 6, 2013
12,512
1,461
I think the comeback win over Thurman secures him a spot in the bottom half of the top 10. That win was roughly equivalent to Duran beating Barkley IMO.

Prior to that, he could still be argued for the top 10, but it was debatable IMO.

That's exactly why I said top-ten, as well. Even if Manny was 'roided to the gills, it was an astonishing achievement.
 
Apr 5, 2020
77
100
Should've been ruled a NC. Dude had to fight a roided to the gills Mayweather with a messed up shoulder. He did very well considering that Mayweather had to dilute all the PEDs he was on with the IV.
I only take steroid arguments seriously if they have been proven to be correct, otherwise it is largely baseless speculation.
 
Reactions: tommygun711
Jul 6, 2019
4,970
5,154
I only take steroid arguments seriously if they have been proven to be correct, otherwise it is largely baseless speculation.
I think that's fair enough. There has been rumours about both guys for years.

The stuff Hauser wrote about Floyd and USADA seems pretty bad, but I think it also implicates Pac too.

Then there is Pacs ever increasing head and increased performance after 35.

I think both are suspicious, but for now they are both innocent.