If Pacquiao retired today, where would you rank him all time?

Where would you rank Pacquiao all time?


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May 17, 2013
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I didn't rate that win either. Doesn't discredit the previous 49 wins he achieved though.

Sad thing is, it went on his record as a professional fighter as a win and it should have been nothing more than an exhibition type fight to begin with, but stupid people bought into the hype that McGregor actually had a chance.

Kind of like all the idiots that bought into the Ronda Rousey hype and said she'd beat professional boxers-----only to lose miserably to two in a row by KO to women who had decent boxing skills in the octagon.
 

tommygun711

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I think the comeback win over Thurman secures him a spot in the bottom half of the top 10. That win was roughly equivalent to Duran beating Barkley IMO.

Prior to that, he could still be argued for the top 10, but it was debatable IMO.
for a period of time I really rated Keith Thurman highly, he looked very good against Porter and Danny Garcia, but Pacquiaos win over him has an asterisk imo.

Thurman was inactive and had injuries, it is still a fantastic win all things considered, as Thurman was undefeated. but I don't think it is really comparable to Duran beating Barkley.
 
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for a period of time I really rated Keith Thurman highly, he looked very good against Porter and Danny Garcia, but Pacquiaos win over him has an asterisk imo.

Thurman was inactive and had injuries, it is still a fantastic win all things considered, as Thurman was undefeated. but I don't think it is really comparable to Duran beating Barkley.
That's a good point.

- But I'm still not taking anything away from Pac's win, given his age. Plus, although he certainly was on some kind of juice, he looked amazing in that fight.
 
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I wish Pac hadn't ducked Berto and full-weight Cotto, etc. He made a career out of cherrypicking and that really hurts his legacy. Like, why did he walk away from the Mayweather fight over drug testing and then try to beat an older version later? I don't think there are any flattering answers there.
 
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for a period of time I really rated Keith Thurman highly, he looked very good against Porter and Danny Garcia, but Pacquiaos win over him has an asterisk imo.

Thurman was inactive and had injuries, it is still a fantastic win all things considered, as Thurman was undefeated. but I don't think it is really comparable to Duran beating Barkley.
40 year olds don’t beat prime 26 year olds with belts.

How is that an asterick?
 
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Fighting Andre Berto after Pacquiao didn't mean shit either!
Okay, so we erase Conor McGregor and Andre Berto.

You've got a lot of names to go before you discredit Floyd to such an extent that he is no longer one of the greatest fighters ever to put on a pair of gloves. I'm guessing that is the endgame here?
 
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tommygun711

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40 year olds don’t beat prime 26 year olds with belts.

How is that an asterick?
I already explained how it has an asterisk in the post you quoted, Doby.

Keith Thurman was inactive and had injuries.

like I said it is still an incredible victory.
 
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I already explained how it has an asterisk in the post you quoted, Doby.

Keith Thurman was inactive and had injuries.

like I said it is still an incredible victory.
To play devil's advocate, many one would say Duran's victory over Barkley also has an asterisk. For the simple reason that many people disagreed with the decision.

If you were someone that had predicted a Thurman victory beforehand, the only thing left to do in the wake of a Thurman defeat is to concede you were wrong and to congratulate the opponent. Now this may not be applicable to you, but Thurman's inactivity and injury problems were known ahead of the fight.
 

tommygun711

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To play devil's advocate, many one would say Duran's victory over Barkley also has an asterisk. For the simple reason that many people disagreed with the decision.

If you were someone that had predicted a Thurman victory beforehand, the only thing left to do in the wake of a Thurman defeat is to concede you were wrong and to congratulate the opponent. Now this may not be applicable to you, but Thurman's inactivity and injury problems were known ahead of the fight.
Ok, one could argue Barkley beat Duran but Barkley stopped Tommy Hearns before fighting Duran. Barkley was probably in his prime. So if you want to put an asterisk over durans victory over Barkley, its for an entirely different reason. Barkley did not have injuries and inactivity. Thurman on the other hand was coming off of a victory against Lopez where he struggled and frankly did not look like the prime Thurman, the one who defeated Porter and Garcia.

I actually did predict Thurman to beat Pacquiao, to be fair. I still think its a great victory especially considering Pacs age.
 
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Ok, one could argue Barkley beat Duran but Barkley stopped Tommy Hearns before fighting Duran. Barkley was probably in his prime. So if you want to put an asterisk over durans victory over Barkley, its for an entirely different reason. Barkley did not have injuries and inactivity. Thurman on the other hand was coming off of a victory against Lopez where he struggled and frankly did not look like the prime Thurman, the one who defeated Porter and Garcia.
Just playing devil's advocate. I think Duran clearly beat Barkley and that its stands as one of the better wins of the last 35 years.

I actually did predict Thurman to beat Pacquiao, to be fair. I still think its a great victory especially considering Pacs age.
Very impressive prediction.
 
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Kind of like all the idiots that bought into the Ronda Rousey hype and said she'd beat professional boxers-----only to lose miserably to two in a row by KO to women who had decent boxing skills in the octagon.
"Yeah, but if she can get you on the ground....."

"Pop! Pop! "

"Doh !"
 
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He’s top ten all day long, he beat Barrera, Marquez and Morales before he was 30, annihilating two of them. The manner in which he was winning these fights was as impressive as who he was beating, he destroyed legends. Also, a lot isn’t made of the fact that he is clearly fighting bigger guys every time he has fought over 135lbs, he isn’t a welter and never has been, yet has had incredible success in the division. He’s beaten a who’s who of 147 and below fighters in the last 15 years apart from Mayweather, and the only way he dared to fight him was putting in his most elusive cautious performance of his career.
 

Sittin Sonny

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He’s top ten all day long, he beat Barrera, Marquez and Morales before he was 30, annihilating two of them. The manner in which he was winning these fights was as impressive as who he was beating, he destroyed legends. Also, a lot isn’t made of the fact that he is clearly fighting bigger guys every time he has fought over 135lbs, he isn’t a welter and never has been, yet has had incredible success in the division. He’s beaten a who’s who of 147 and below fighters in the last 15 years apart from Mayweather, and the only way he dared to fight him was putting in his most elusive cautious performance of his career.
This. :deal

Let's not forget that Cotto has also clearly established himself as a HoFer, and Pac demolished him while he was still rated in P4P lists.
 
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