If society shifted to a 4 day, 32 hour work week..... what would happen?

Haggis

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Would you vote for this?

Does it strike you as reasonable?

What about feasible?

What kind of effects would you expect to see, short term and long term?

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I’d be a huge fan of it. Would Defo vote for it.

No clue on the wider society effects of it but for me I think I’d be more focused worker. Shorter time frames would add stress as seems even when I’m busting my ass at busy times 40 hours isn’t enough. But at regular times I reckon I’d be less likely to procrastinate, try push my lunch break out an extra 10 mins etc..

Wouldn’t even need to be 32. I’d sign up for 4x10 working days rather than 5x8. Same working time but 3 full days off Would be golden
 

SwollenGoat

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people would live longer and be happier

republicans would lose their fucking minds and complain the serfs were not working hard enough

this was actually predicted to be the norm way back in the 40s and 50s I do believe....................due to the massive increase in worker productivity

instead of the workers benefiting the extra productivity got translated into higher management pay and profits because,you know,fuck labor

yes,its entirely reasonable and feasible but will never ever happen here..............ffs.we cant even get basic shit done like healthcare or education............stuff WE will PAY FOR..............no way in holy hell we get something that cuts into the 1%s obscene cut of the pie............
 

kf3

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i got no problem with it and it would be good in many ways, but when i started i came up with this:

people whose jobs matter still gonna have to work what is needed.
self employed people and anyone above a certain seniority too.
if you earn per hour you just got fucked out of thousands a year, or you need a second job.
is not a thing that can be voted for, if people want to work less and earn less and their employer wants it too then it can happen today.
in most cases the cost of employing 1 person is not just wages, employing 2 people for the same hours is not the same cost.

a reasonably well eductaed/trained person making a good salary, pension, benefits etc would prob like the idea initially, but do they have to give up 20% of that stuff? would they? how can they replace it?

so it doesn't benefit the poor or the rich or people doing vital jobs, and prob not the middle either.

that's based on small/medium businesses, which is what i care about.
in the automated future with ubi it is totally realistic, but that's still decades away.
 
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Haggis

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When I came back to work from 6 weeks off work glandular fever (mono for the Americans), the doctor would only let me work a 4 day week for the first month.

And if my God, it was fucking glorious. Work-life balance was FAR superior. Thoroughly recommend taking a week's work of annual leave (sorry, Americans, that's a thing here :yep) and just taking every Monday off for a month and a bit. Just amazing the difference between a 4 day week and a 5 day week.

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Broxi

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An answer on Quora for the question "which countries operate on 4 day weeks" provided this...

Netherlands
Not only is the Netherlands a beautiful place to live, but its four-day workweek is definitely a plus as well. The workforce averages around 29 hours a week with average annual wages at $47,000.

A Dutch law was passed in 2000 which stated a worker can lower their hours to part-time, while keeping their job and continuing to receive hourly pay and health care benefits.

Denmark
Denmark averages 33 hours per week with estimated annual wages of $46,000.Their unemployment benefits go up to two years, and the Danish have flexible schedules that lure people in.

Norway
Norwegians work about 33 hours a week with average annual wages of $44,000. In fact, Norway’s labor laws are the most lenient since they provide workers a minimum of 21 paid vacation days.

Ireland
Of course we know Ireland for its famous breweries and landscape, but that’s not all they are known for. The Irish work about 34 hours per week with average annual wages of $51,000. This drastically changed from the 44 hours they worked previously in 1983.

Germany
Germany works about 35 hours a week with average annual wages of $40,000. They actually encourage some employers to lower their hours in order to prevent layoffs. The plan seems to be working well, with the country’s current unemployment rate at five percent.
We have a few posters from these countries who can confirm whether this is actually the norm but I'd like to see a wide scale experiment where the impact on economy and productivity was measured.

I suspect without any data to back this up, that in white collar work, the productivity achieved by the average 5 day worker is equivalent to 4 days output if not less, in real terms through wasted time or fatigue. I don't know if decreasing to a 4 day week would actually mean people worked harder through the day or whether this would just scale back so that now you get 3 days productivity from a 4 day week and Thursdays mentality becomes the new Friday.

In factory and manufacturing settings, where a factory line is expected to output an average number of items per hour per day... this is not the case. It's much more controlled so reducing a 5 day week to 4 days will most probably result in a straight 20% reduction on output.

However, from my experience many big company factories already employ 3-4 day working shifts to good effect, known here as "Continental Shifts", where the factory runs 24/7 but is split between 4 different work-forces. Two day shifts + two night shifts... you worked 3 x 12 hr days every week, with an intermittent 4 day week every other week.

So for example I worked Sun-Tue, 07:00 am to 07:00 pm every week and working every second Saturday. Personally I really enjoyed this type of working because I had 3-4 days off every week but the hours were long and the work when you were there was driven and constant.

You could do a similar thing with 8 hour shifts and have the factory shut down for a few hours each day.

I suspect though that this would not be mirrored in countries with cheaper labour, making their cost per item even cheaper and they would continue to pull away manufacturing jobs from wealthier countries... that is on the assumption that you're increasing the hourly wage to compensate for the reduced hours.
 
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making working from home more standard is a good start. would save most people like 10 hours a week unpaid time and some money.
Companies should be encouraging staff to work from home if productivity doesn't drop.
Company saves money on office space.
Employees save time on commute.
Win Win...
 

Broxi

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making working from home more standard is a good start. would save most people like 10 hours a week unpaid time and some money.
I'm enjoying working from home but few things I've noticed... my day will either be really disjointed, where I'm distracted a lot and achieve not much or b) I work constantly, have dinner, go back to work and end up finishing work late at night only to go to bed.

I also don't like having to ignore the kid when she wants to play because I'm busy with work... it's a horrible feeling.

There's definitely pros and cons to this shit and I'm not entirely convinced which is better yet. I've already told my employer that on easing of restrictions I'll be changing my work set-up to work more from home, maybe come in 2 days a week for a better work/life balance.

The saving on fuel alone makes this worth it and I'm lucky I can get to dictate how I work a bit.
 

kf3

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I'm enjoying working from home but few things I've noticed... my day will either be really disjointed, where I'm distracted a lot and achieve not much or b) I work constantly, have dinner, go back to work and end up finishing work late at night only to go to bed.

I also don't like having to ignore the kid when she wants to play because I'm busy with work... it's a horrible feeling.

There's definitely pros and cons to this shit and I'm not entirely convinced which is better yet. I've already told my employer that on easing of restrictions I'll be changing my work set-up to work more from home, maybe come in 2 days a week for a better work/life balance.

The saving on fuel alone makes this worth it and I'm lucky I can get to dictate how I work a bit.
i have worked mostly from home for over a decade, just because i'm 1 man on a computer. everything that you said is true. the weather is also vital, which sounds counterintuitive but is real for me.
 

Broxi

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i have worked mostly from home for over a decade, just because i'm 1 man on a computer. everything that you said is true. the weather is also vital, which sounds counterintuitive but is real for me.
You prefer nice or shitty weather for working at home?
 

kf3

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i don't mind the rain if i'm just out in it doing something. but when there's one proper chance to go outside and it gets spoilt (again) it puts a damper on life.
 

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people would live longer and be happier

republicans would lose their fucking minds and complain the serfs were not working hard enough

this was actually predicted to be the norm way back in the 40s and 50s I do believe....................due to the massive increase in worker productivity

instead of the workers benefiting the extra productivity got translated into higher management pay and profits because,you know,fuck labor

yes,its entirely reasonable and feasible but will never ever happen here..............ffs.we cant even get basic shit done like healthcare or education............stuff WE will PAY FOR..............no way in holy hell we get something that cuts into the 1%s obscene cut of the pie............
John Maynard Keynes predicted 15 hour work week due to increase in productivity. Unfortunately he died long before the concept of owning your own aircraft carrier came into being
 
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Would you vote for this?

Does it strike you as reasonable?

What about feasible?

What kind of effects would you expect to see, short term and long term?

:hat
lots of so called intelligent people favor this

I think they are dumb

because........if you have to pay employees the same money for 8 hrs less production weekly then most likely you gonna raise the price of you’re product (or service you provide) to still be making the same amount of profit..

so for us the people stuff and services From shops and companies wil become more expensive
 
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