If society shifted to a 4 day, 32 hour work week..... what would happen?

May 23, 2013
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Companies should be encouraging staff to work from home if productivity doesn't drop.
Company saves money on office space.
Employees save time on commute.
Win Win...
on one condition
To keep it honest those working from home should get a salary cutback from 10%

because working at home people will do private stuff in between (the boss doesn’t notice it)
 

Deebo

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Show dem balls bro
lots of so called intelligent people favor this

I think they are dumb

because........if you have to pay employees the same money for 8 hrs less production weekly then most likely you gonna raise the price of you’re product (or service you provide) to still be making the same amount of profit..

so for us the people stuff and services From shops and companies wil become more expensive
Junior does have a couple of valid points about the post-8-hour productivity. I think if this was a wide-spread thing we'd start seeing how less productive people would be in their 9th and 10th hours, and we'l also have to factor in an extra break period (as would probably be mandated by the unions) for every day of the week so you'd be losing at least an extra 30 - 40 minutes of productivity just by having to accommodate that 4 days a week.

I would love to work either 4 ten hour shifts or even 3 fourteen hour shifts. We used to work those hours at Dayton Hudson back in the '80's.
 
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on one condition
To keep it honest those working from home should get a salary cutback from 10%

because working at home people will do private stuff in between (the boss doesn’t notice it)
I've been putting in 55+ hours from home nearly every week since all this started.
With less time for breaks, skipping lunches etc. This shit is not easier, it's exponentially fucking harder. Any private life you had before, when work ended at 5PM, is now blurred with work life.

All the business you could take care of with a 5 min chat at the office is now a 30 min video call. These calls now take up your entire workday, so you get almost nothing done of your normal work, and have to start doing it in the evening.
 
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When I came back to work from 6 weeks off work glandular fever (mono for the Americans), the doctor would only let me work a 4 day week for the first month.

And if my God, it was fucking glorious. Work-life balance was FAR superior. Thoroughly recommend taking a week's work of annual leave (sorry, Americans, that's a thing here :yep) and just taking every Monday off for a month and a bit. Just amazing the difference between a 4 day week and a 5 day week.

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Oh man I can only imagine what a consistent run of 3 day weekends would be like.
I'm on a salary so same pay regardless of hours but I honestly dont think it would be to difficult to lose 8 hours across a week.

I went and sat on the throne scrolled IG for about 15 mins earlier today, soon as I fired up my computer I checked my personal emails, had a quick daily news browse, been speaking casually chatting with work mates on skype etc. that's about a good 45 mins lost there.. knowing I had less time for things I think I'd pull myself in and just do the work.

But it's not even about the hours worked. It's more the hours off. Like I said I'd do 4x10 hour days if I could. To have the 3 consecutive days off.
the extra 2 hours a day is nothing when compared to taking those same 2 hours combining them into a full day off.
 
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When I came back to work from 6 weeks off work glandular fever (mono for the Americans), the doctor would only let me work a 4 day week for the first month.

And if my God, it was fucking glorious. Work-life balance was FAR superior. Thoroughly recommend taking a week's work of annual leave (sorry, Americans, that's a thing here :yep) and just taking every Monday off for a month and a bit. Just amazing the difference between a 4 day week and a 5 day week.

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So what you are saying is that having an extra day weekend is actually better than having another day at work?
 
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im all for it but im the worried the work at home mob are about to suddenly see all their jobs disappear to sri lanka or the phillipines. you never want to show your employer how unnecessary you are
 

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When I came back to work from 6 weeks off work glandular fever (mono for the Americans), the doctor would only let me work a 4 day week for the first month.

And if my God, it was fucking glorious. Work-life balance was FAR superior. Thoroughly recommend taking a week's work of annual leave (sorry, Americans, that's a thing here :yep) and just taking every Monday off for a month and a bit. Just amazing the difference between a 4 day week and a 5 day week.

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this is the only real job you’ve ever had though isn’t it?
 

Broxi

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im all for it but im the worried the work at home mob are about to suddenly see all their jobs disappear to sri lanka or the phillipines. you never want to show your employer how unnecessary you are
This is a fair point, I’ve been saying for a while now that all the white collar workers will be soon outsourced to the 3rd world with cloud computing and Skype.
 
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Tons of jobs that work in shifts 24/7, so forget it.

You wait to be replaced, there are break reliefs so nobody ever stops the line.
 
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I think a 4 day week would work great in certain jobs. Mainly the many forms of office jobs where the same work could be done by the end of the week. Some companies already operate a system where they have no official working hours, rather you have a week to get x amount done. I know someone who works this way and often goes in at 5.30-6am, gets most of a day's work done before others come in at 9 and then he has a 3, sometimes 2 and a half day week.

Benefits of a 4 day week would be great for most. More time to spend with kids, or time say on Friday to yourself to follow a hobby, get jobs done in the house on Friday morning so the whole weekend is free, etc. I imagine if people had the choice, they would work that bit harder/longer 4 days a week to have the extra day off. Or at least they would like to have the option to do this - or maybe every other week you have a 4 day week.

Obviously I don't think it would work in lots of other jobs.
 
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I've been putting in 55+ hours from home nearly every week since all this started.
With less time for breaks, skipping lunches etc. This shit is not easier, it's exponentially fucking harder. Any private life you had before, when work ended at 5PM, is now blurred with work life.

All the business you could take care of with a 5 min chat at the office is now a 30 min video call. These calls now take up your entire workday, so you get almost nothing done of your normal work, and have to start doing it in the evening.
ooh I believe you but let’s face it

a huge majority of people working from home would for example do some groceries during daytime or go to the barbershop whatever do some work at home maybe vaccumcleaning.

and people who cannot work from home for example people in construction or in the factory do the regular 8 hrs with only their normal breaks

so imho it’s not fair if homeworkers gets paid their normal salary with nobody controlling if they really work 8 hrs
 
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I think a 4 day week would work great in certain jobs. Mainly the many forms of office jobs where the same work could be done by the end of the week. Some companies already operate a system where they have no official working hours, rather you have a week to get x amount done. I know someone who works this way and often goes in at 5.30-6am, gets most of a day's work done before others come in at 9 and then he has a 3, sometimes 2 and a half day week.

Benefits of a 4 day week would be great for most. More time to spend with kids, or time say on Friday to yourself to follow a hobby, get jobs done in the house on Friday morning so the whole weekend is free, etc. I imagine if people had the choice, they would work that bit harder/longer 4 days a week to have the extra day off. Or at least they would like to have the option to do this - or maybe every other week you have a 4 day week.

Obviously I don't think it would work in lots of other jobs.
again not fair..
If this can go for office work then also people in production should have this deal

example if you do a certain amount of work in 4 days you can stay home the fifth day..

otherwise only office people benefit (and they already have more money then production people)

and how about people working in stores ??
Can they close the store for 1 day ??? And stay home
 
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I'm enjoying working from home but few things I've noticed... my day will either be really disjointed, where I'm distracted a lot and achieve not much or b) I work constantly, have dinner, go back to work and end up finishing work late at night only to go to bed.

I also don't like having to ignore the kid when she wants to play because I'm busy with work... it's a horrible feeling.

There's definitely pros and cons to this shit and I'm not entirely convinced which is better yet. I've already told my employer that on easing of restrictions I'll be changing my work set-up to work more from home, maybe come in 2 days a week for a better work/life balance.

The saving on fuel alone makes this worth it and I'm lucky I can get to dictate how I work a bit.
My kid don't let me work. But then the fucking gf is no better. I go to the bedroom with the laptop she comes up and floats around randomly moving stuff. I got downstairs same thing. Drives me nuts.

But when this is over I'm putting in for home working at least one day a week to save of petrol like you.
 
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ooh I believe you but let’s face it

a huge majority of people working from home would for example do some groceries during daytime or go to the barbershop whatever do some work at home maybe vaccumcleaning.

and people who cannot work from home for example people in construction or in the factory do the regular 8 hrs with only their normal breaks

so imho it’s not fair if homeworkers gets paid their normal salary with nobody controlling if they really work 8 hrs

That's true and not true.

It's true people will abuse it to goto the barbers and do groceries etc.

But not true they shouldn't get the same salary. I find for example I'm more efficient from home. I'd say in the UK at least...a large portion of any given days productivity is wasted by chit chat amongst co workers and petty distractions. Removing those obstacles improves efficency. Well for me at least. I work in a large environment so on any given day i end up chatting to many people, most of whome are skiving and looking to spend 5 to 10 wasting time boring me with small talk
 
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again not fair..
If this can go for office work then also people in production should have this deal

example if you do a certain amount of work in 4 days you can stay home the fifth day..

otherwise only office people benefit (and they already have more money then production people)

and how about people working in stores ??
Can they close the store for 1 day ??? And stay home
This is true regarding production. I guess it depends on what the product is. Food produce for example probably has to go 6-7 days a week. A friend works in dairy/youhurt production, as far as I know that place is open nearly 24/7. He has shifts 4 days on 3 days off, 3 days on 4 days off. So I guess that works for them.

My main point was that 4 day work week, or at least more worker flexibility regarding working hours is a good idea if possible. But that it won't work in lots of cases and it is quite specific to the job.

Stores/retail I don't think would be best suited to 4 days weeks, for obvious reasons.
 
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That's true and not true.

It's true people will abuse it to goto the barbers and do groceries etc.

But not true they shouldn't get the same salary. I find for example I'm more efficient from home. I'd say in the UK at least...a large portion of any given days productivity is wasted by chit chat amongst co workers and petty distractions. Removing those obstacles improves efficency. Well for me at least. I work in a large environment so on any given day i end up chatting to many people, most of whome are skiving and looking to spend 5 to 10 wasting time boring me with small talk
I tend to agree with this. This is why my friend I mentioned earlier goes in for 6am some mornings. Has the place to himself for 2-3 hours so no distractions, chit-chat, etc.

I think a result of this pandemic will also be an increase in working from home. The crisis has probably proved that lots of jobs can be done from home and productivity can be just as good. Of course you will have some who will abuse working from home or working a 4 day week. But these are probably the same ones who make smalltalk in the office all during the working day.
 
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I've been putting in 55+ hours from home nearly every week since all this started.
With less time for breaks, skipping lunches etc. This shit is not easier, it's exponentially fucking harder. Any private life you had before, when work ended at 5PM, is now blurred with work life.

All the business you could take care of with a 5 min chat at the office is now a 30 min video call. These calls now take up your entire workday, so you get almost nothing done of your normal work, and have to start doing it in the evening.
I've been working for home from home for 2 months and have generally been putting in more hours. Because I'm at home I find I will work longer just because I can so to speak. I'm not worried about commuting home so I generally work longer into the night. I don't do a whole lot after work at home anyway so I find myself explaining it as "well I'd only be chilling watching tv or something. May as well keep working" or "well I'll just finish this" which turns to "well I've only got this much more"... So am definitely working longer in general.

But I had a 3 week period where I worked a high 50's hour week then weeks around 62 or 63 hours. Absolutely ridiculous. Told the boss I expect time in lieu for those hours. Should get a bit of time off in a couple weeks when we pass a hump on the project.
 
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ooh I believe you but let’s face it

a huge majority of people working from home would for example do some groceries during daytime or go to the barbershop whatever do some work at home maybe vaccumcleaning.

and people who cannot work from home for example people in construction or in the factory do the regular 8 hrs with only their normal breaks

so imho it’s not fair if homeworkers gets paid their normal salary with nobody controlling if they really work 8 hrs
I see that point.

I've done a lot of that stuff on work time. Since I am at home.
Can't speak for others though but I definitely make the time up.

If I run out to the grocery shop during lunch and take longer than I would normally have for lunch then I will generally be working later to make it back up.

Though in saying that. Will defo admit at times I've taken the piss. Few weeks back It was a pretty slow news day for me working so I set my computer to not fall asleep then spent a few hours doing a top top bottom clean around the apartment. Not a fun job but may as well do it when I'm on the clock for something else haha. Scored some brownie points with the misso and the boss is none the wiser
 
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I see that point.

I've done a lot of that stuff on work time. Since I am at home.
Can't speak for others though but I definitely make the time up.

If I run out to the grocery shop during lunch and take longer than I would normally have for lunch then I will generally be working later to make it back up.

Though in saying that. Will defo admit at times I've taken the piss. Few weeks back It was a pretty slow news day for me working so I set my computer to not fall asleep then spent a few hours doing a top top bottom clean around the apartment. Not a fun job but may as well do it when I'm on the clock for something else haha. Scored some brownie points with the misso and the boss is none the wiser
I find I make the time up by working late, sometimes up to 12 midnight. Spacing my work out doesn't affect my productivity and generally makes the day less stressful and not feel like work really. It's the future.

I work with people though who are also home working and I know the lazy cunts aren't doing jack because they don't reply to an email for 3 days. One spends their time walking their dogs, I know, I have spies.
 
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