If society shifted to a 4 day, 32 hour work week..... what would happen?

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We have reached forest depopulation defcon 4.

This is beginning of the Great Depression.
You are right Doby.

But people won't make the hard choices to stop it.

They won't pay more tax.

They won't take salary cuts.

And they won't stop consumerist pleasures.

You're from PH right? You've seen what life can be like at the bottom. I think if more people knew what it was like and how it could happen in their lifetime they'd act differently.
 
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You are right Doby.

But people won't make the hard choices to stop it.

They won't pay more tax.

They won't take salary cuts.

And they won't stop consumerist pleasures.

You're from PH right? You've seen what life can be like at the bottom. I think if more people knew what it was like and how it could happen in their lifetime they'd act differently.
Nah man I’m American. I been jobless before but not dead ass bored and no jobs.
 
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Never been to the motherland?
Yea I went there in 2005 and 2013. There are no jobs there. You graduate from uni there and only people they hire for McDonald jobs. It’s pretty bad.

afraid my valet job won’t be available afterwards..

we were already slowing down before corona..

Tand they are reopening clothing stores like Ross this Friday...

mite gonna be bad.
 
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4 days a week and 32 hours is enough for people to work imo especially with automation making labor less needed

With that being said, this is America and I don't see this happening any time soon and 40 hours is going to be the standard for a while. I've always been a fan of 3 day weekends though so I'd even work four 10 hour days if that option was available to me. Unfortunately, most places don't even give you that option. I've always preferred less days to work during the week and just working longer days. Even when I work overtime, I just work longer for the 5 days I do work rather than coming in an extra day.
 
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Yea I went there in 2005 and 2013. There are no jobs there. You graduate from uni there and only people they hire for McDonald jobs. It’s pretty bad.

afraid my valet job won’t be available afterwards..

we were already slowing down before corona..

Tand they are reopening clothing stores like Ross this Friday...

mite gonna be bad.
A guy at work has a PH lady he says after lockdown the government will be broke and it's bad enough as it was.
 
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4 days a week and 32 hours is enough for people to work imo especially with automation making labor less needed

With that being said, this is America and I don't see this happening any time soon and 40 hours is going to be the standard for a while. I've always been a fan of 3 day weekends though so I'd even work four 10 hour days if that option was available to me. Unfortunately, most places don't even give you that option. I've always preferred less days to work during the week and just working longer days. Even when I work overtime, I just work longer for the 5 days I do work rather than coming in an extra day.
That should be the case but Vs some Asian countries who work 12 hour days and 7 days a week our productivity massively suffers.

That's why TVs etc aren't made here. It's not the skills. But the labour costs.
 
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Broxi

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My kid don't let me work. But then the fucking gf is no better. I go to the bedroom with the laptop she comes up and floats around randomly moving stuff. I got downstairs same thing. Drives me nuts.

But when this is over I'm putting in for home working at least one day a week to save of petrol like you.
I feel your pain man ... I get bombarded by trivial conversation shite and random comments about something she's seen on social media or the news.

I even put my headphones in without any music playing to try dropping the hint that I don't want disturbed.
 
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I feel your pain man ... I get bombarded by trivial conversation shite and random comments about something she's seen on social media or the news.

I even put my headphones in without any music playing to try dropping the hint that I don't want disturbed.
Phew. I'm so glad it's not just me. And there I was feeling like I was a bad guy for getting irate about it.
 
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Jack

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It sounds amazing, but wouldn't that just make the countries doing this less competitive against places who aren't?
I think that's the downside to all these arguments which can be loosely labelled as socialist, such as a higher minimum wage, UBI, a shorter working week etc.. They work in isolation but they don't work in a competitive global economy.

One point that always comes up regarding a shorter working week is the idea that you can get the same amount of production in fewer hours, or even increased levels of production. The problem with that argument is that the very few studies that produced those results were observing the tech industry or whatever, where the workers were coming in at 11:30am with a chai pumpkin latte, but these studies aren't talking about the menial or physical jobs where people are already slaving away. The idea that production would stay the same or improve in all sectors is just obviously wrong. A cleaner or bricklayer isn't going to improve their work with one fewer day and how do you justify their wage staying the same in that scenario? Some graphic designer may improve their productivity if you give them a day off but it's an insult to the majority of workers in low paid jobs to suggest that they're currently so lazy that if you cut a day off their working week, they might actually get more done.

This would be great for workers in physical jobs who just don't get a chance to recover from all their hard work though. It's not as much of a problem now because of health and safety but it's difficult to not pick up injuries when working a physical job, day in day out.
 

Broxi

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Is it just me or is this Covid thing just providing people excuses for shit service?

I've had issues with Paypal, trying to sort out some shite at their side and you get the warning at the start of the helpline call that "due to COVID, blah blah blah" ... I've sat on the bastarding holding tune partfor about 30 mins now and no one picking up.

Even their website help system uses the covid excuse.

It wasn't like this last week when they wanted to sort out a negative balance and I got 3 phone calls from them and they answered my call to them almost instantly each time I selected that the call was for clearing a negative balance.

You're handling telephone calls, this shit could be done remotely so don't give us your pish that covid is affecting you this badly.

The other ones are deliveries for stuff you buy online... they just deliver whenever the fuck they want now and claim it's the covids fault.

I know they're all full of shit because I've been using the exact same excuses for my tardiness.
 

Broxi

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Phew. I'm so glad it's not just me. And there I was feeling like I was a bad guy for getting irate about it.
Ahh, welll ... I wouldn't go basing your assumptions that you're not an asshole based on me doing the same thing.

It's more likely we're just both assholes.
 
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That should be the case but Vs some Asian countries who work 12 hour days and 7 days a week our productivity massively suffers.

That's why TVs etc aren't made here. It's not the skills. But the labour costs.
Good point and that’s one reason why I don’t think it will happen now. However, what happens in 20 years when automation is wiping out hours of labor needed? Then there’s no real choice but to have some kind of ubi to supplement working 8 hours less a week or even more than that.
 
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I think that's the downside to all these arguments which can be loosely labelled as socialist, such as a higher minimum wage, UBI, a shorter working week etc.. They work in isolation but they don't work in a competitive global economy.

One point that always comes up regarding a shorter working week is the idea that you can get the same amount of production in fewer hours, or even increased levels of production. The problem with that argument is that the very few studies that produced those results were observing the tech industry or whatever, where the workers were coming in at 11:30am with a chai pumpkin latte, but these studies aren't talking about the menial or physical jobs where people are already slaving away. The idea that production would stay the same or improve in all sectors is just obviously wrong. A cleaner or bricklayer isn't going to improve their work with one fewer day and how do you justify their wage staying the same in that scenario? Some graphic designer may improve their productivity if you give them a day off but it's an insult to the majority of workers in low paid jobs to suggest that they're currently so lazy that if you cut a day off their working week, they might actually get more done.

This would be great for workers in physical jobs who just don't get a chance to recover from all their hard work though. It's not as much of a problem now because of health and safety but it's difficult to not pick up injuries when working a physical job, day in day out.
Absolutely spot on.
 
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I think that's the downside to all these arguments which can be loosely labelled as socialist, such as a higher minimum wage, UBI, a shorter working week etc.. They work in isolation but they don't work in a competitive global economy.

One point that always comes up regarding a shorter working week is the idea that you can get the same amount of production in fewer hours, or even increased levels of production. The problem with that argument is that the very few studies that produced those results were observing the tech industry or whatever, where the workers were coming in at 11:30am with a chai pumpkin latte, but these studies aren't talking about the menial or physical jobs where people are already slaving away. The idea that production would stay the same or improve in all sectors is just obviously wrong. A cleaner or bricklayer isn't going to improve their work with one fewer day and how do you justify their wage staying the same in that scenario? Some graphic designer may improve their productivity if you give them a day off but it's an insult to the majority of workers in low paid jobs to suggest that they're currently so lazy that if you cut a day off their working week, they might actually get more done.

This would be great for workers in physical jobs who just don't get a chance to recover from all their hard work though. It's not as much of a problem now because of health and safety but it's difficult to not pick up injuries when working a physical job, day in day out.
exactly how I ment to say it

the lower paid people already work hard fysically.

so why the fuck give office people (who are paid higher) more privilages by letting them work at home or lesser hrs a week
 

Haggis

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exactly how I ment to say it

the lower paid people already work hard fysically.

so why the fuck give office people (who are paid higher) more privilages by letting them work at home or lesser hrs a week
Maybe a 4 day week would help a lot of brickies and tradesmen enjoy longer careers on the jobsite, instead of being physical wrecks at age 50.

:hat
 

Trail

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I'm a primary school teacher. Absolutely FUCK ALL chance of 3-11 year-olds (or their teachers) doing anything less than a five day week (at least in the UK). Government/LEA requirements specify a certain amount of hours for children's learning. Ain't no budging them.
 
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im all for it but im the worried the work at home mob are about to suddenly see all their jobs disappear to sri lanka or the phillipines. you never want to show your employer how unnecessary you are
if the c19 epedemic has shown anything, its that the employers themselves are unnecessary
 
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Trail

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if the c19 epedemic has shown anything, its that the employers themselves are unnecessary
Can't say I disagree. Or surplus to requirement at least.

Home working has probably shown a lot of management up for being work shy fops. They'll check who's accessing the work system three times a day and then play golf for the rest, or drink afternoon tea or beat their wives up, whatever they do.
 
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