Illegal immigration, etc.. What do we do?

Jun 4, 2013
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Look, I don't want this to get lost in a Trump thread or any other political thread. I figure every major western nation has to deal with people immigrating from other nations and not following the laws to become a citizen.

Here in the USA I'd wager most people believe in immigration reform, border security etc. The thing is I think it's a complicated, nuanced, and hard to fix problem. But now we are all just yelling at each other about damn wall. The truth is people will never stop wanting to come here. That isn't a bad thing. Yes, they should follow the laws. Yes they should try to conform to our customs and cultures. We've got to find a way to fix it that doesn't involve shutting the damn government down.

What's the deal?
 

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Look, I don't want this to get lost in a Trump thread or any other political thread. I figure every major western nation has to deal with people immigrating from other nations and not following the laws to become a citizen.

Here in the USA I'd wager most people believe in immigration reform, border security etc. The thing is I think it's a complicated, nuanced, and hard to fix problem. But now we are all just yelling at each other about damn wall. The truth is people will never stop wanting to come here. That isn't a bad thing. Yes, they should follow the laws. Yes they should try to conform to our customs and cultures. We've got to find a way to fix it that doesn't involve shutting the damn government down.

What's the deal?
Illegal immigration is hard to police, no idea what you can do. Ridiculously tough border control?

For 'legal' immigration a points system like Australia or a profession being necessary.

Quite some time ago I had a massive love affair with the USA and tried like fuck to get a visa/green card. Not a chance unless I married an American (I'm UK by the way).
 
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Do what we can to help fix their countries so there isn’t such a vast number of them who want to migrate from poorer countries to wealthier countries with higher standards of living.

Don’t ask me how we do this without just giving those countries money but it would help.

On top of that, there will always be room for immigration to any country to bring in fresh blood and skill sets we require but just bringing thousands of people because it will be a better life for that chosen few seems like a poorly thought out plan.
 
May 17, 2013
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its been falling for decades now and is so far down on our list of 'problems' as to be laughable


there are maybe ten million illegals in the US as of now,with less and less trying to cross the border..............and,in fact,overstayed visas are more common than border crossings

ten million out of a population of 350 million?

its fuckin fake news
 
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Instead of a stupid wall we should be investing in modern intake facilities, psychological and social screening, programs for those waiting through the detention process, integration destinations and temporary jobs in these facilities for these individuals while they wait to be processed. I know this is an unreachable goal because you'd have to work with the countries of origin to make sure criminals aren't coming into the country and that information is sometimes trivial at best. Also state and federal government should be able to prosecute perpetrators of serious crimes and hold them to our laws if they are here like murder, gang violence, robbery, etc. instead of just deporting them back to their countries of origin until they've been caught here doing criminal activity for the 10th time. This would not only cost less than the idiot's wall, it would generate jobs, revenue for the state and local governments and make everyone in the process feel like they're contributing to "something". Again, I know this will never come to fruition.
 
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Jun 4, 2013
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its been falling for decades now and is so far down on our list of 'problems' as to be laughable


there are maybe ten million illegals in the US as of now,with less and less trying to cross the border..............and,in fact,overstayed visas are more common than border crossings

ten million out of a population of 350 million?

its fuckin fake news
I don't necessarily disagree with that but it is still a problem. One that a large portion of the population wants to fix, doesn't that mean we should do something. I'm not advocating a wall or whatever. Honestly, I don't believe the wall will fix shit. What other options do we have?
 
Jun 4, 2013
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Instead of a stupid wall we should be investing in modern intake facilities, psychological and social screening, programs for those waiting through the detention process, integration destinations and temporary jobs in these facilities for these individuals while they wait to be processed. I know this is an unreachable goal because you'd have to work with the countries of origin to make sure criminals aren't coming into the country and that information is sometimes trivial at best. Also state and federal government should be able to prosecute perpetrators of serious crimes and hold them to our laws if they are here like murder, gang violence, robbery, etc. instead of just deporting them back to their countries of origin until they've been caught here doing criminal activity for the 10th time. This would not only cost less than the idiot's wall, it would generate jobs, revenue for the state and local governments and make everyone in the process feel like they're contributing to "something". Again, I know this will never come to fruition.
Definitely good ideas. I've mentioned streamlining the asylum process for people that qualify for that. More judges and lawyers that work this exact issue.
 
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I don't necessarily disagree with that but it is still a problem. One that a large portion of the population wants to fix, doesn't that mean we should do something. I'm not advocating a wall or whatever. Honestly, I don't believe the wall will fix shit. What other options do we have?
we tell the stupid to STFU and we get to the real problems this nation is facing

like a glut of fucking stupid people

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Look, I don't want this to get lost in a Trump thread or any other political thread. I figure every major western nation has to deal with people immigrating from other nations and not following the laws to become a citizen.

Here in the USA I'd wager most people believe in immigration reform, border security etc. The thing is I think it's a complicated, nuanced, and hard to fix problem. But now we are all just yelling at each other about damn wall. The truth is people will never stop wanting to come here. That isn't a bad thing. Yes, they should follow the laws. Yes they should try to conform to our customs and cultures. We've got to find a way to fix it that doesn't involve shutting the damn government down.

What's the deal?
If we're just talking about America then it's not that big a deal, really, is it? I mean, obviously it's an issue and I'm not trying to down play it but the day to day impact doesn't compare to some of the more fundamental issues facing the country.

If the same amount of effort and focus was put on things like the frequent mass murder of school kids, the monumental educational debt being accrued by the American youth, the ever widening wealth gap and inequality, the lack of access to and life changing impact the health service and associated costs have on people...all of those things, and many more, should be a significantly higher priority than illegal immigration.
 
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If we're just talking about America then it's not that big a deal, really, is it? I mean, obviously it's an issue and I'm trying to down play it but the day to day impact doesn't compare to some of the more fundamental issues facing the country.

If the same amount of effort and focus was put on things like the frequent mass murder of school kids, the monumental educational debt being accrued by the American youth, the ever widening wealth gap and inequality, the lack of access to and life changing impact the health service and associated costs have on people...all of those things, and many more, should be a significantly higher priority than illegal immigration.
Absolutely and completely agree with all of that.


Still, how do we fix illegal immigration?
 
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ten million out of a population of 350 million?

its fuckin fake news
Are you serious? That is a significant percentage.
10 million undocumented felons? No fingerprints, drivers license, DNA, social security?
You are a fucking felon and you are happy that 10 million immigrants have more rights in America than you do? Stop drinking the bong water Goat.
 
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If we're just talking about America then it's not that big a deal, really, is it? I mean, obviously it's an issue and I'm trying to down play it but the day to day impact doesn't compare to some of the more fundamental issues facing the country.

If the same amount of effort and focus was put on things like the frequent mass murder of school kids, the monumental educational debt being accrued by the American youth, the ever widening wealth gap and inequality, the lack of access to and life changing impact the health service and associated costs have on people...all of those things, and many more, should be a significantly higher priority than illegal immigration.

What can be done about those other things?
 
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Look, I don't want this to get lost in a Trump thread or any other political thread. I figure every major western nation has to deal with people immigrating from other nations and not following the laws to become a citizen.

Here in the USA I'd wager most people believe in immigration reform, border security etc. The thing is I think it's a complicated, nuanced, and hard to fix problem. But now we are all just yelling at each other about damn wall. The truth is people will never stop wanting to come here. That isn't a bad thing. Yes, they should follow the laws. Yes they should try to conform to our customs and cultures. We've got to find a way to fix it that doesn't involve shutting the damn government down.

What's the deal?

Fine the crap out of anyone who hires an illegal.
 
May 17, 2013
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Are you serious? That is a significant percentage.
10 million undocumented felons? No fingerprints, drivers license, DNA, social security?
You are a fucking felon and you are happy that 10 million immigrants have more rights in America than you do? Stop drinking the bong water Goat.
more rights than I do?

oh my

thats a no

anyway..........

I find less than 3% to be a rather insignificant number,tbh

and the fact illegals are LESS likely to commit crimes here in the US than native born americans means Im not really terrified of the murderous crime wave they supposedly bring either

its a number thats falling now,and has been falling for decades..............

I rally dont give a shit
 
May 10, 2013
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Look, I don't want this to get lost in a Trump thread or any other political thread. I figure every major western nation has to deal with people immigrating from other nations and not following the laws to become a citizen.

Here in the USA I'd wager most people believe in immigration reform, border security etc. The thing is I think it's a complicated, nuanced, and hard to fix problem. But now we are all just yelling at each other about damn wall. The truth is people will never stop wanting to come here. That isn't a bad thing. Yes, they should follow the laws. Yes they should try to conform to our customs and cultures. We've got to find a way to fix it that doesn't involve shutting the damn government down.

What's the deal?
I think we need to create system that completely shuts down illegal immigrations, but increases legal immigration.

Our country is built on immigrants, thats what make us so great.

How it should be done is x% of legal status is given out to refugees or those seeking asylum, and x% is given to qualifed skilled workers. Id lean 75% for skilled and then the rest for refugees.

In addition to this we should perhaps allow 2-4 as many legal immigrants enter our country than we do now per year.