Illegal immigration, etc.. What do we do?

May 8, 2013
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You don't.

It's impossible to stop and simply an existing issue for many countries. Effort should be made to minimize it, proportional investment to the significance of the issue, such as better border monitoring with technology. Satellites, drones, etc.
I don't really think I need to highlight how inefective a wall would be so that shouldn't even be a consideration for any rational person.
Israel's works. Of course they are a tiny country so the lesson may not transfer to a huge country like the USA, but physical barriers are never a magic solution. They must be patrolled & monitored sufficiently to work.
 
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Jun 4, 2013
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#62
So what you're saying is, because a country has resources anyone can enter.

Yeah I've been to the US.

Not really, I'm not saying anyone can enter. I do believe in border security and following a process. I am for immigration reform. I just don't think a wall is going to help much.


I asked you if you've been here because we're a fucking huge country with loads of land that is just open. It's not really the same as having a beggar live in my living room or garage. There's loads of space where we can build facilities.
 
Jun 4, 2013
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And the estimates of their numbers varies a bit. FAIR estimates 12.5 million. That is a lot of people any way you look at it. They are a problem in the areas where there are high concentrations of them, such as the Los Angeles area. A lot of the Mexican-Americans I know in that area pretty much hate them.

Include my Pops in that. He's a mexican american and he hates illegals.
 
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and the fact illegals are LESS likely to commit crimes here in the US than native born americans
Less likely to be convicted because nobody knows who they are. These statistics you quote do not include unsolved crime, I can guarantee that they are over represented in the unsolved crime department.

I have nothing against immigration, I’m sitting in an Australian bar right now sinking beers with 4 friends and I’m the only one with an Aussie accent - 2 Irish, 2 Scots and they are all legit in regards to paperwork. Some are on working Visas, the others have acquired permanent residency. If they commit a crime they will be busted first time every time.
One of our mates got deported last year and left a string of offences behind him that will never be solved because he was using fake ID.

How much tax are these illegals paying? That is a crime in itself and does not show up in the statistics.
 

DBerry

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Jun 11, 2013
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'Straya, cunt.
#70
Look, I don't want this to get lost in a Trump thread or any other political thread. I figure every major western nation has to deal with people immigrating from other nations and not following the laws to become a citizen.

Here in the USA I'd wager most people believe in immigration reform, border security etc. The thing is I think it's a complicated, nuanced, and hard to fix problem. But now we are all just yelling at each other about damn wall. The truth is people will never stop wanting to come here. That isn't a bad thing. Yes, they should follow the laws. Yes they should try to conform to our customs and cultures. We've got to find a way to fix it that doesn't involve shutting the damn government down.

What's the deal?
Build a motherfucking wall, mate, duh! Seriously, though, not what Australia has been doing since the Liberal Government got in a decade and a half ago.
 
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Look, I don't want this to get lost in a Trump thread or any other political thread. I figure every major western nation has to deal with people immigrating from other nations and not following the laws to become a citizen.

Here in the USA I'd wager most people believe in immigration reform, border security etc. The thing is I think it's a complicated, nuanced, and hard to fix problem. But now we are all just yelling at each other about damn wall. The truth is people will never stop wanting to come here. That isn't a bad thing. Yes, they should follow the laws. Yes they should try to conform to our customs and cultures. We've got to find a way to fix it that doesn't involve shutting the damn government down.

What's the deal?
First you need to recognize why they come here.

300 years ago people came here willingly (not the slaves) for the freedom to practice their religions and the freedom to speak freely. They didn't come here for handouts as there weren't any. There was no giant welfare / entitlement system at the time.

Today that isn't the case. Many come here illegally for the benefits. Yes, illegals do get benefits. For one a near guaranteed job under the table. Medical security in the form of emergency room care. Insurance guarantees for children born here. Medicaid-covered births which are the exception for illegals. SNAP benefits for children legally born here. K-12 education benefits in some states and inevitably 18-20 years later a democratic vote.

The question has to be asked. If America were to dismantle the entire entitlement apparatus to the degree there were no more free things (everything food / shelter / etc) had to be earned would illegal migration still occur? Probably not as much as it becomes increasingly clear if given the chance to vote, more of them would vote for handouts than not. Though I do think some still come here for the freedom of speech. It just isn't 10 million that do.

The only solution here if we aren't going to stop entitlements is to stop the flow across the border.
 

Deebo

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Build a motherfucking wall, mate, duh! Seriously, though, not what Australia has been doing since the Liberal Government got in a decade and a half ago.
Australia doesn't need a wall, you got a fucking ocean surrounding you. :lol:

Actually......Not a bad idea. Not a bad idea at all. Someone should pitch the idea to Trump to build a wide, deep moat around the USA and fill it with man eating sharks. You're a pretty sharp fellow there, Dale.
 
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#76
Less likely to be convicted because nobody knows who they are. These statistics you quote do not include unsolved crime, I can guarantee that they are over represented in the unsolved crime department.

I have nothing against immigration, I’m sitting in an Australian bar right now sinking beers with 4 friends and I’m the only one with an Aussie accent - 2 Irish, 2 Scots and they are all legit in regards to paperwork. Some are on working Visas, the others have acquired permanent residency. If they commit a crime they will be busted first time every time.
One of our mates got deported last year and left a string of offences behind him that will never be solved because he was using fake ID.

How much tax are these illegals paying? That is a crime in itself and does not show up in the statistics.
yer right

Im convinced

despite all the available evidence and my own lifes experience,I now think this is THE CRISES of my generation

we need a wall

with lasers

and nukes

where do I pay?
 
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President Trump Went to a Border Town to Prove They Need a Wall. Residents Say Otherwise

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/p...residents-say-otherwise/ar-BBS5dzQ?li=BBnb7Kz


:lol:

what an utter fucktard

anyone who takes him seriously at this point,anyone dumb enough to still be supporting him is,quite obviously,a dangerously stupid cretin and should be quarantined for the safety of the nation and the species........