Illegal immigration, etc.. What do we do?

Deebo

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Show dem balls bro
I was just thinking, we don't need a big wall for the southern border. Hell we don't even need a wall at all. All we need is a knee high fence that has these signs posted every 50 feet:




It's okay, I'm Mexican so you can't be offended. :yep
 
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Do what we can to help fix their countries so there isn’t such a vast number of them who want to migrate from poorer countries to wealthier countries with higher standards of living.

Don’t ask me how we do this without just giving those countries money but it would help.

On top of that, there will always be room for immigration to any country to bring in fresh blood and skill sets we require but just bringing thousands of people because it will be a better life for that chosen few seems like a poorly thought out plan.
Well another problem is that the smartest people in a lot of fucked up countries end up emigrating into countries like ours rather than staying in their own to fix them. If we want to improve the other countries we have to incentivize their best and brightest stay put instead of leaving.
 
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Well another problem is that the smartest people in a lot of fucked up countries end up emigrating into countries like ours rather than staying in their own to fix them. If we want to improve the other countries we have to incentivize their best and brightest stay put instead of leaving.
Yep, we either bring in a lot of unskilled workers who will enter the market, work for less and negatively affect the working class of our country or we harvest all their best and brightest to work here and negatively affect everyone in their countries.

But if you mention these real world problems in todays culture, it will be interpreted in the worst possible way that you just don't like immigration and are most likely racist.
 
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Slick Ric

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and the fact illegals are LESS likely to commit crimes here in the US than native born americans means Im not really terrified of the murderous crime wave they supposedly bring either
Bullshit.

100% of illegals are committing a crime just by being here so that would mean that more than 100% of legal US citizens commit crimes.

I have several friends/acquaintances who immigrated here legally and one thing they all seem to have in common is that they despise these illegal fucks. They went through the proper channels and apparently it’s a big pain in the ass but that doesn’t mean you just don’t do it. It may be a pain in the ass to get a driver’s license but that doesn’t mean you just drive around without one.
 

Slick Ric

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Well another problem is that the smartest people in a lot of fucked up countries end up emigrating into countries like ours rather than staying in their own to fix them. If we want to improve the other countries we have to incentivize their best and brightest stay put instead of leaving.
Why would we have an obligation to incentivize them? Shouldn’t their own countries be doing that? Also, I have no issue with people who will contribute to society immigrating here legally, but we don’t need any more stupid, unskilled, poor fucks here shitting up the place. We have an abundance of those already. In fact, I propose that for every person we take in we send one back to that person’s country of origin. Give us your doctors, scientists, etc. and we’ll send you our welfare recipients, jailbirds and sjw retards.
 
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Pedrin1787

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First you need to recognize why they come here.

300 years ago people came here willingly (not the slaves) for the freedom to practice their religions and the freedom to speak freely. They didn't come here for handouts as there weren't any. There was no giant welfare / entitlement system at the time.

Today that isn't the case. Many come here illegally for the benefits. Yes, illegals do get benefits. For one a near guaranteed job under the table. Medical security in the form of emergency room care. Insurance guarantees for children born here. Medicaid-covered births which are the exception for illegals. SNAP benefits for children legally born here. K-12 education benefits in some states and inevitably 18-20 years later a democratic vote.

The question has to be asked. If America were to dismantle the entire entitlement apparatus to the degree there were no more free things (everything food / shelter / etc) had to be earned would illegal migration still occur? Probably not as much as it becomes increasingly clear if given the chance to vote, more of them would vote for handouts than not. Though I do think some still come here for the freedom of speech. It just isn't 10 million that do.

The only solution here if we aren't going to stop entitlements is to stop the flow across the border.
:lol:

Your no pussy having ass is delusional.

No one is leaving their family (for who knows how long), and risking their lives for a couple hundred dollars in food stamps.

They come for the jobs, dollars.

I can't believe that out of all you retards fat pete is the only one that has it right.
 
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Why would we have an obligation to incentivize them? Shouldn’t their own countries be doing that? Also, I have no issue with people who will contribute to society immigrating here legally, but we don’t need any more stupid, unskilled, poor fucks here shitting up the place. We have an abundance of those already. In fact, I propose that for every person we take in we send one back to that person’s country of origin. Give us your doctors, scientists, etc. and we’ll send you our welfare recipients, jailbirds and sjw retards.
Actually, that's wrong.

We do need the low level laborers to keep our economy going. We can't get rid of them. Again, I'm not saying we don't need to reform our immigration system. Something needs to be done, but most economists will agree that the unskilled laborers are in high demand and short supply. The immigrants you're talking about fill those positions.

Look, let's be honest, I don't know a whole lot of people clamoring to be maids, janitors, brick layers, cement finishers, etc. Do you?
 
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Bullshit.

100% of illegals are committing a crime just by being here so that would mean that more than 100% of legal US citizens commit crimes.

I have several friends/acquaintances who immigrated here legally and one thing they all seem to have in common is that they despise these illegal fucks. They went through the proper channels and apparently it’s a big pain in the ass but that doesn’t mean you just don’t do it. It may be a pain in the ass to get a driver’s license but that doesn’t mean you just drive around without one.
 
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Actually, that's wrong.

We do need the low level laborers to keep our economy going. We can't get rid of them. Again, I'm not saying we don't need to reform our immigration system. Something needs to be done, but most economists will agree that the unskilled laborers are in high demand and short supply. The immigrants you're talking about fill those positions.

Look, let's be honest, I don't know a whole lot of people clamoring to be maids, janitors, brick layers, cement finishers, etc. Do you?
People would be clamouring for those jobs if they paid more. Businesses don't pay more because they can get illegals to do the work for fuck all.

You are essentially supporting modern-day slavery.
 

Slick Ric

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Actually, that's wrong.

We do need the low level laborers to keep our economy going. We can't get rid of them. Again, I'm not saying we don't need to reform our immigration system. Something needs to be done, but most economists will agree that the unskilled laborers are in high demand and short supply. The immigrants you're talking about fill those positions.

Look, let's be honest, I don't know a whole lot of people clamoring to be maids, janitors, brick layers, cement finishers, etc. Do you?
Actually, it’s fucking not wrong at all.

We absolutely have an abundance of stupid, unskilled, poor people here already and they keep breeding more.

You’re correct about most Americans not wanting to do those types of jobs, though, so cool, bring in brown people to do them and for every one we do ship one of our stupid, lazy pieces of shit out to their country in return.
 

Pedrin1787

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And the estimates of their numbers varies a bit. FAIR estimates 12.5 million. That is a lot of people any way you look at it. They are a problem in the areas where there are high concentrations of them, such as the Los Angeles area. A lot of the Mexican-Americans I know in that area pretty much hate them.
Include my Pops in that. He's a mexican american and he hates illegals.
Never understood this to be honest, hating a whole group of people, especially one as diverse as is "illegals in the US."

@VinoVeritas is a cuck faggot, that doesn't mean I hate Serbs, Cucks, or Gays.

Edir: or Ozzys
 
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Never understood this to be honest, hating a whole group of people, especially one as diverse as is "illegals in the US."

@VinoVeritas is a cuck faggot, that doesn't mean I hate Serbs, Cucks, or Gays.

Edir: or Ozzys
I agree with what you're saying about hating illegals. It's so dumb to hate an entire group of people. I'd be lying if I said I never met an illegal I disliked but that was more because they're were dicks than because they were illegal. If you take a large group of people it's bound to have some good folks and some dick bags.
 
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Actually, it’s fucking not wrong at all.

We absolutely have an abundance of stupid, unskilled, poor people here already and they keep breeding more.

You’re correct about most Americans not wanting to do those types of jobs, though, so cool, bring in brown people to do them and for every one we do ship one of our stupid, lazy pieces of shit out to their country in return.
See, so it's not wrong.

I get you're point man, but really we've gotta start being honest about it if we're ever going to stop being dicks to one another an actually work together. I've admitted several times that we need stronger immigration reform. I'm willing to admit when someone else has the right idea. We've all gotta give a little to get a little know what I mean?
 
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People would be clamouring for those jobs if they paid more. Businesses don't pay more because they can get illegals to do the work for fuck all.

You are essentially supporting modern-day slavery.
Again, also not necessarily wrong, I've said for a long time that we need to go after the business paying these workers. Thing is, how would that affect the economy? If the low skill jobs are now requiring higher pay than what happens to the price for these services? inflation and all that jazz.
 

Masters

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It was good to see the Saudi girl get taken in by Canada after she freed herself from the shackles of Islam. Her family would have no doubt killed her the sic savages. It happens all the time.
Anti west oppression monger SJWs should look at this case and be ashamed of themselves. Look how happy she is to be taken in by western civilization. The West is the Best.