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No he was the supreme allied commander.

So he was ultimately in charge of the overall strategic plan.

He did have a fairly involved hand in planning the particulars of D-Day (Operation Overlord).
Yep but in terms of quality he isn’t fit to lace the shoes of many german generals
 

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Yep but in terms of quality he isn’t fit to lace the shoes of many german generals
It's hard really to separate how good generals are from the Armies they lead/ the weapons they have.

Obviously the armies they lead they have some control over.
 
The Germans had-
  • a long history of excellent military theorists
  • good military academies
  • experience from wars in 1870, 1914-1918 and spanish civil war
  • commanders who encouraged creativity and offensive operations
  • a willingness to try new technology
  • a close relationship btwn industry, science and the military
 

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Yep but in terms of quality he isn’t fit to lace the shoes of many german generals
The quality of the german army and generals was massively overrated. Largely because of the denazification propaganda effort by the USA along with many German generals like Manstein embellishing their capabilities and blaming Hitler for all their failures.


This is a good channel that debunks alot of the myths of german military superiority
 
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Hitler vs the Military Establishment Part II

The Austrian

Hitler was almost the polar opposite of the Junker elite.

He was born into a lower middle class family in Upper Austria, moving around as his father attempted to find something to do in his retirement besides drinking and beating his family. Hitler's father had been a customs official and this was a fact that gave the family a sliver of respectability.

After leaving the family home Adolf was in trouble. His father was dead and his mother, too. His dream of going to art academy or architecture school in Vienna was destroyed as he had not completed his high school leaving certificate. With his savings almost gone he was forced to live off money made from selling paintings of famous buildings in Vienna.

There is a bit of debate about how hard Hitler had it but he definitely spent 1 year on the streets. After that he lived in a hostel for down and out men. He would later claim that it was here he began to realise the Jewish element that was always out attempting to bring western civilization down.

His brief respite from a brutal life on the streets was broken when he received a letter in the mail. The government had finally found him and pointed out that he had not reported for military service. Hitler, in sudden fear, fled the country to take up residence in Germany. He would later spin this as saying he needed to be in a more German state and not a Jewish controlled monarchy.

Hitlers life in Germany was nothing special and if it were not for the war he probably would have faded into mediocrity, selling a few paintings on the side and talking endlessly about how he could have been a great thing.

The First World War saved Hitler.

After the war he found public speaking gigs with far right groups that were backed by the military. He found his calling on attacking the Bolsheviks and the Jews who had stabbed Germany in the back. He attacked the establishment. He attacked the weakness of the monarchy. He slowly realised that he could be the leader of a powerful movement.

Always impatient, Hitler attempted to seize power by force. In the famous Munich Putsch he marched with his small group of Nazis and military flunkies against the local police. The police opened fire, wounding and killing several Nazis. Hitler was pulled into a car and driven away to Austria where he attempted suicide, only to be stopped at the last moment by colleagues.

He was soon brought back to Germany where he was sentenced to jail and famously dictated his book "Mein Kampf".

Upon release he realised the only way to power was via democracy. He would get his party voted into power and then destroy it from the inside.

To the Junkers military establishment he was:
  • lower middle class
  • born in Austria - seen as slovenly, backward, and the losing force in the war over German leadership in the previous century
  • a draft dodger
  • a low ranking soldier
  • somebody who challenged the state
  • a critic of the monarchy
  • willing to use this new form of life called democracy to gain power rather than through brutal military academies
  • he had a large para-military force named the SA who were undisciplined, getting into street fights with socialists and drinking all day
Hindenburg - hero of the first world war and president of Germany famously dismissed him as "the Bohemian corporal". By the time Hitler was chancellor the military realised they could not ignore him anymore.


To be continued in part III...
 
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The quality of the german army and generals was massively overrated. Largely because of the denazification propaganda effort by the USA along with many German generals like Manstein embellishing their capabilities and blaming Hitler for all their failures.


This is a good channel that debunks alot of the myths of german military superiority
Listen denying german military supriority is utter nonsense.
Its proven that they achieved a lot when outgunned and outnumbered.
Generals like model and heinrici where defensive specialists.
Von rundsted, rommel, guderian and von mannstein where superior to anyone the allied could come up with
Hell even german soldiers are way better then their usa or russia. Or British counterparts.
Just check the lists of pilot aces or tank destroyers or tank aces.
For example micheal wittman outranks the allied tank aces by a

Germany may have fought for a wrong cause.
But anyone must admit the german army outclassed the allied
 

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Listen denying german military supriority is utter nonsense.
Its proven that they achieved a lot when outgunned and outnumbered.
Generals like model and heinrici where defensive specialists.
Von rundsted, rommel, guderian and von mannstein where superior to anyone the allied could come up with
Hell even german soldiers are way better then their usa or russia. Or British counterparts.
Just check the lists of pilot aces or tank destroyers or tank aces.
For example micheal wittman outranks the allied tank aces by a

Germany may have fought for a wrong cause.
But anyone must admit the german army outclassed the allied
British Air fucked the Luftwaffe up bad during the battle of Britian
 
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British Air fucked the Luftwaffe up bad during the battle of Britian
Greg you really should inform yourself before talking bullshit.
THE ONLY REASON why the Brits won the battle of britain is because hitler decided that the Luftwaffe should stop bombing airfields and airplanes and start bombing civilian populated targets...

Ps. The winner isn’t always the better one.
Good example is the USSR. They won because they had a huge advantage in man and material and fuel.
Not because they had better material or better strategist ir tactical officers
 
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Johnstown

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Greg you really should inform yourself before talking bullshit.
THE ONLY REASON why the Brits won the battle of britain is because hitler decided that the Luftwaffe should stop bombing airfields and airplanes and start bombing civilian populated targets...

Ps. The winner isn’t always the better one.
Good example is the USSR. They won because they had a huge advantage in man and material and fuel.
Not because they had better material or better strategist ir tactical officers
British beat the Germans with less planes.
 

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Listen denying german military supriority is utter nonsense.
Its proven that they achieved a lot when outgunned and outnumbered.
Generals like model and heinrici where defensive specialists.
Von rundsted, rommel, guderian and von mannstein where superior to anyone the allied could come up with
Hell even german soldiers are way better then their usa or russia. Or British counterparts.
Just check the lists of pilot aces or tank destroyers or tank aces.
For example micheal wittman outranks the allied tank aces by a

Germany may have fought for a wrong cause.
But anyone must admit the german army outclassed the allied
The Germans had more fighter aces because German would fly until they were captured or kills. A good British or American pilot would be pulled to train other pilots.

Explained here



Many of the battles especially on the eastern front were fabricated to explain away their losses.

Again watch these videos




You start to get the picture that logistically the German staff officers werent up to snuff. Something you could never really accuse Monty or Eisenhower of.



If you want a more specific example of the myth of German war making capabilities see the battle of arracourt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Arracourt


Largely ignored by Western scholars for decades, didnt feed into the German superiority myth.


Ojce you start reading primary sources and first hand accounts you get a better understanding of the war outside thr cult of personality and famous battles.
 

Bachafach

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Greg you really should inform yourself before talking bullshit.
THE ONLY REASON why the Brits won the battle of britain is because hitler decided that the Luftwaffe should stop bombing airfields and airplanes and start bombing civilian populated targets...

Ps. The winner isn’t always the better one.
Good example is the USSR. They won because they had a huge advantage in man and material and fuel.
Not because they had better material or better strategist ir tactical officers
Id say the Soviets destroying the Sixth Army at Stalingrad was a pretty brilliant plan. Id say Soviet Deep battle doctrine was exceptional.
 
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Id say the Soviets destroying the Sixth Army at Stalingrad was a pretty brilliant plan. Id say Soviet Deep battle doctrine was exceptional.
Damnit you really like to put salt on everything i say heh ?
For me fact remains many german commander where better then their allied counterparts.
Not saying allied commanders had no talent.
But to me winning a battle (or loosing one but stil putting up a hell of a fight) when you are outgunned outnumbered and have fuel shortage is more if an achievement then winning a battle when you have the majority of man and weapons..
Not saying the germans where always better or something like that.
But honesty is honesty.
And even though they fought for a wrong cause. They where an magnificent fighting machine.
Who if you judge iT objectively achieved more during the whole of the war then Reasonably could be expected.
 

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Damnit you really like to put salt on everything i say heh ?
For me fact remains many german commander where better then their allied counterparts.
Not saying allied commanders had no talent.
But to me winning a battle (or loosing one but stil putting up a hell of a fight) when you are outgunned outnumbered and have fuel shortage is more if an achievement then winning a battle when you have the majority of man and weapons..
Not saying the germans where always better or something like that.
But honesty is honesty.
And even though they fought for a wrong cause. They where an magnificent fighting machine.
Who if you judge iT objectively achieved more during the whole of the war then Reasonably could be expected.
I dont mean to pick on you but if the Germans were at a logistical disadvantage thats on them. As the vid i posted regarding the battle of stalingrad states, the Germans had plenty of reinforcements, but their logistics and organizational capabilities were lacking.

Its not your fault, theres alot of good historians who are Wehraboos, and NATO needed to rehabilitate the Germans during the cold war. Manstein was allowed to embellish (lost victories). However a more critical eyes are starting to examine the German defeat rather you than simply putting it down to population and inferiority.

Operation Torch, DDay, Uranus, Bagration. Ask yourself, why couldnt the brilliant German generals predict any of these?
 
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