Is Deontay wilder the greatest unskilled heavyweight in boxing history?

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Look I'm a wilder fan and it frustrates me watching him fight. In fact to say he's unskilled is an understatement. They guy can't throw a proper jab to save his life. It's almost as if he's stepping on his own feet when he's fighting. To put it in perspective, the last time I had Wilder up on a scorecard in a fight going past the second round was against Bermane Stiverne I.

How can a guy lose so many rounds in every fight and yet still remain undefeated. Seriously, this has got to be the longest successful punchers chance streak in boxing history. Many are times he's getting schooled so badly I'm ready to turn the television off thinking his opponent is either going to KO him or unanimously decision him on the card eventually.

Every time, just as I'm about to throw in the towel on Wilder, here comes that heat seeking missile he calls a right hand ones again coming to his rescue. The punch usually doesn't look that devastating, but the reaction of his opponent always says the otherwise.

People sometimes forget, Wilder is an Olympic medalist. That's right, he was a successful amateur and he did it with little experience. Usually when a guy a wins an Olympic medal hes usually acknowledged for his technical skills, which ones again highlights the uniqueness of Wilder as I don't think his name and technique belongs in the same statement.

Hopefully the Fury fight materializes. I want to see how long the one man soap opera that is Deontay Wilder lasts.
 
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Wilder is actually greatly skilled but he is a tactician and is not interested in winning rounds but scoring bombs. In the only case in his whole career where he didn't KO someone, he won a clear decision against the champion (Fury fight was a KO, in reality). How could he POSSIBLY be unskilled? Power needs a delivery system. This is why some random strongman can't just jump into boxing and start KO'ing a bunch of name fighters. They don't fight with the loose dexterity, awkward cunning, gangly destruction, disjointed clarity, or inculcated ineptitude or faux tomfoolery of a man like Wilder, who fights off of feeling, the way Ringo plays the drums. He lulls people into a false sense of confidence, doesn't get knocked out, doesn't get decisioned, just analyses and destroys. The man is a legend, a stallion, a Greek god of thunder and war and lightning, a character from Eyes Wide Shut that Scientology cut out of the script so as not to outshine Tom Cruise or impregnate Nicole Kidman. He is Alexander, he is Dempsey, he is a conqueror and a root. Stop lying on this man and show some damn respect.
 
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Wilder is actually greatly skilled but he is a tactician and is not interested in winning rounds but scoring bombs. In the only case in his whole career where he didn't KO someone, he won a clear decision against the champion (Fury fight was a KO, in reality). How could he POSSIBLY be unskilled? Power needs a delivery system. This is why some random strongman can't just jump into boxing and start KO'ing a bunch of name fighters. They don't fight with the loose dexterity, awkward cunning, gangly destruction, disjointed clarity, or inculcated ineptitude or faux tomfoolery of a man like Wilder, who fights off of feeling, the way Ringo plays the drums. He lulls people into a false sense of confidence, doesn't get knocked out, doesn't get decisioned, just analyses and destroys. The man is a legend, a stallion, a Greek god of thunder and war and lightning, a character from Eyes Wide Shut that Scientology cut out of the script so as not to outshine Tom Cruise or impregnate Nicole Kidman. He is Alexander, he is Dempsey, he is a conqueror and a root. Stop lying on this man and show some damn respect.
Not sure if trolling or serious or some bizarre mix.

Because you actually make some valid points.
 
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I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that a Wilder with average power would be a journeyman.

His power is freakish and puts him in contention against anybody.
 
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Wilder needs to abandon the left hook its shocking, he just needs range finder jabs and a strong jab every now and then his right hand will save him against most, I think against Fury he will actually have to pressure him from the start or he could lose a wide UD
 
And you can say the same for AJ, Mike Tyson, George Foreman ....

Name one great HW champion, ever, who had "average power," besides Ali?
Every sole "puncher" gets found out, eventually. AJ doesn't have the power of Wilder, but Ruiz's hand speed and pressure style troubled him. Being able to bang is pretty mandatory, but the best in recent times had craft and technique. Lewis, Holmes, Wlad.

There's a template - Szpilka troubled Wilder and he's mediocre at best. Someone with ring craft and movement can likely navigate their way to a decision. Fury got tired late on, but schooled Wilder. I'm unsure on Usyk's potential (and chin) at heavyweight, but if he takes the weight well he's another banana skin.

And if we're going there; Wilder could have been stopped in the 7th round in the first Ortiz fight.
 
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Look I'm a wilder fan and it frustrates me watching him fight. In fact to say he's unskilled is an understatement. They guy can't throw a proper jab to save his life. It's almost as if he's stepping on his own feet when he's fighting. To put it in perspective, the last time I had Wilder up on a scorecard in a fight going past the second round was against Bermane Stiverne I.

How can a guy lose so many rounds in every fight and yet still remain undefeated. Seriously, this has got to be the longest successful punchers chance streak in boxing history. Many are times he's getting schooled so badly I'm ready to turn the television off thinking his opponent is either going to KO him or unanimously decision him on the card eventually.

Every time, just as I'm about to throw in the towel on Wilder, here comes that heat seeking missile he calls a right hand ones again coming to his rescue. The punch usually doesn't look that devastating, but the reaction of his opponent always says the otherwise.

People sometimes forget, Wilder is an Olympic medalist. That's right, he was a successful amateur and he did it with little experience. Usually when a guy a wins an Olympic medal hes usually acknowledged for his technical skills, which ones again highlights the uniqueness of Wilder as I don't think his name and technique belongs in the same statement.

Hopefully the Fury fight materializes. I want to see how long the one man soap opera that is Deontay Wilder lasts.
With fans like you, who needs detractors.
 
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He's not completely unskilled.

He is good at setting up his shots, setting traps, and throws a great right hand.

He also has the sense, and the courage, to play to his strengths. There is little point in him trying to outbox Fury or Ortiz.

That being said. He is wild at times, makes lots of basic mistakes, and has dropped so many rounds to mediocre boxers it's unreal.
 
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Massive misconception that Wilder is not skilled, he's not skilled in the convention sense that he has great technique but he is very skilled at setting up and landing his right hand. Quite often he's executing a game plan which revolves around landing his greatest asset, the right hand. He fights to KO his opponent, he doesn't fight to outbox his opponent, from that point of view he should probably be considered as more skilled than most. As a fighter that maximises his assets and talents to cover for his weaknesses he's one of the most effective fighters in the sport. I think this "Wilder is not skilled" talk needs to disappear. He's never going to outbox the likes of Fury and Ortiz, so why should he try, by trying to outbox guys of the calibre he would only be increasing the likelihood of losing and/or getting caught himself.
 

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I'm not sure I buy this narrative that Wilder is deceptively skilled. He is continually getting outboxed because of his limitations not because of any conscious approach. He doesn't prepare to lose every round only to knock his opponents out with a single shot. That would be an incredibly dumb gameplan. He has limitations in terms of technique and ring IQ, but so far this has not resulted in a loss. That's not to say Wilder does not have formidable qualities, but they are intangibles. Concussive one shot power, great recuperative abilities, a will to win, a big heart etc.

As for being skilled setting up the right hand and landing it? They are mostly telegraphed.
 
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Massive misconception that Wilder is not skilled, he's not skilled in the convention sense that he has great technique but he is very skilled at setting up and landing his right hand. Quite often he's executing a game plan which revolves around landing his greatest asset, the right hand. He fights to KO his opponent, he doesn't fight to outbox his opponent, from that point of view he should probably be considered as more skilled than most. As a fighter that maximises his assets and talents to cover for his weaknesses he's one of the most effective fighters in the sport. I think this "Wilder is not skilled" talk needs to disappear. He's never going to outbox the likes of Fury and Ortiz, so why should he try, by trying to outbox guys of the calibre he would only be increasing the likelihood of losing and/or getting caught himself.
If that's a strategy, it's a very illogical one. It almost cost him against Fury. In Fact a lot of people believe he lost that fight. I'm not saying he should outskill his opponents but he should try to win some rounds just in case a a Tyson Fury like occasion occurs. He might not outskill his opponent but he can outwork them by simply letting his hands go instead of throwing single shorts like he has a habit of doing.
 
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As for being skilled setting up the right hand and landing it? They are mostly telegraphed.
No, they're not.

He used a lovely feint-jab to open up Ortiz. He used an explosive leap to take out Stiverne. He used a set-up long hook to take out Scott. - And I could go on & on.

Stop letting your Wilder hate make you sound foolish.
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Having said that, I don't at all like how Wilder's been fighting lately. WAAAY too safe, stupidly waiting for a KO chance. - But that's just a bad game plan, not a lack of skill.