Is Golovkin in Trouble This Saturday?

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Gennady Golovkin is fighting Sergiy Derevyanchenko at the weekend for the vacant IBF and IBO middleweight titles. Derevyanchenko was a top amateur and had a 23-1 record in the WSB. As a pro, he is 13-1 (10KOs), and his only loss was a split decision to Daniel Jacobs in his first attempt at a 'world' strap. Last time out, he won a close 12-round decision over contender Jack Culcay.

Golovkin has only had one fight since the loss to Canelo last September, a 4th round KO over the unknown Steve Rolls. At 37 and based on his recent performances, the general consensus is GGG has slipped quite a bit. But is he far enough from his prime for Derevyanchenko to cause an upset on Saturday? The odds have GGG at 1/4, Derevyanchenko 7/2. Is this a fair reflection? Does Derevyanchenko have a real chance of winning?
 
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If GGG fights like he did in his last fight he will be, he needs to fight how he fought Canelo and Lemieux with hard jabs and body shots, if he tries to move from side to side and focus on footwork Derevyanchenko could land some decent shots
 
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Derry stands little chance tbh, if he stood a chance he would of beaten Jacobs who he has looked pretty wank with terrible punch output since joining Matchroom.

Although will be GGG on the same training regime he was on in Big Bear with Abel :yep ... Find it very strange that Sam Jones took all his fighters away from Abel....

Anyone find it strange Golovkin has been making 160 for over 13 years now, is this normal?
 
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Derry stands little chance tbh, if he stood a chance he would of beaten Jacobs who he has looked pretty wank with terrible punch output since joining Matchroom.

Although will be GGG on the same training regime he was on in Big Bear with Abel :yep ... Find it very strange that Sam Jones took all his fighters away from Abel....

Anyone find it strange Golovkin has been making 160 for over 13 years now, is this normal?
Hagler stayed at 160lbs his entire career :yep

Wasn't there talk a few years ago that GGG would be willing to go down to a catchweight for Mayweather? Obviously that's a special situation, but I can't remember Golovkin having any weight issues in the past. He was at 168lbs for the 30-day weigh-in for the Canelo rematch, which suggests he's not boiling down too severely.
 
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GGG is past his prime and the ukranian is a good fighter, i pick GGG to win on points in a competitive fight but at 37 against a good opponent it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world.
 
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Contrary to popular belief, Golovkin was better than ever in his rematch with Canelo. He looked amazing to be honest.

Still yet to see surefire evidence he has lost it. If he doesn't tonight, he wins comfortably.
 
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GGG got lucky tonight. Got outworked and beat up in plenty of rounds and only won 4 or 5 rounds if that. Punch stats at the end seemed wrong to me also.
 
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Gennady Golovkin is fighting Sergiy Derevyanchenko at the weekend for the vacant IBF and IBO middleweight titles. Derevyanchenko was a top amateur and had a 23-1 record in the WSB. As a pro, he is 13-1 (10KOs), and his only loss was a split decision to Daniel Jacobs in his first attempt at a 'world' strap. Last time out, he won a close 12-round decision over contender Jack Culcay.

Golovkin has only had one fight since the loss to Canelo last September, a 4th round KO over the unknown Steve Rolls. At 37 and based on his recent performances, the general consensus is GGG has slipped quite a bit. But is he far enough from his prime for Derevyanchenko to cause an upset on Saturday? The odds have GGG at 1/4, Derevyanchenko 7/2. Is this a fair reflection? Does Derevyanchenko have a real chance of winning?
Seems like you called it well. He has clearly aged, and was in with a good fighter last night.

His much did he have left? Could just be looking for that one last Canelo fight and then Call it a day.

The likes of BJS and Andrade will be licking their lips after that performance.
 
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Anyone find it strange Golovkin has been making 160 for over 13 years now, is this normal?
It's no longer the norm for elite fighters.

Since SRL and Tommy Hearns there has been a greater and greater emphasis on fighters trying to win belts in multiple weight classes to gain attention and acclaim.

The change to next day weigh-ins has also facilitated fighters in boiling down to unnaturally low weights, particularly at the start of their careers. This is partly to gain an advantage over opponents, and partly to try win belts in multiple weights.

It used to be much rarer for fighters to win belts in multiple classes. (there are exceptions, notably Henry Armstrong).

You do still see fighters spending their whole careers at one weight however. Particularly at the higher weight classes where there is more of a jump. ( Carl Froch is a good example).

GGG is not a tall man. He also doesn't have a big frame, and has clearly dedicated himself to boxing in and out of camp.

There is no reason a man his age can't still be the weight he was at 24. Not if he made that weight easily to begin with, and is always working towards maintaining it.
 

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Ah man, I'm gutted GGG didnt get what he deserved against Canelo. He wont now if they meet again.
I was concerned how last night Golovkin was blowing as early as the end of round six. It seemed he tired early. This isn't a criticism by the way, I think he's a fantastic boxer.

37 isn't really that old for a boxer (I give you Bernard Hopkins fighting at 50), but it just concerns me a little how much Golovkin tired.

Saul Alvarez will do him if (and it's a big if) the fight gets made.
 
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I was concerned how last night Golovkin was blowing as early as the end of round six. It seemed he tired early. This isn't a criticism by the way, I think he's a fantastic boxer.

37 isn't really that old for a boxer (I give you Bernard Hopkins fighting at 50), but it just concerns me a little how much Golovkin tired.

Saul Alvarez will do him if (and it's a big if) the fight gets made.
Hopkins is an outlier though, rather than the norm.

Being a career middleweight at 37 must take its toll. Hopkins was what, 39 when he realised he had to move up after losing twice to Wright?

I dont expect this to be a popular opinion, but until last night, I think there could be an argument made that GGG could still be P4P No1, dependent on how you scored the Canelo fights - not that I had him there.

He definitely looks like he's slipped a few gears now though.
 
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Hopkins is an outlier though, rather than the norm.

Being a career middleweight at 37 must take its toll. Hopkins was what, 39 when he realised he had to move up after losing twice to Wright?

I dont expect this to be a popular opinion, but until last night, I think there could be an argument made that GGG could still be P4P No1, dependent on how you scored the Canelo fights - not that I had him there.

He definitely looks like he's slipped a few gears now though.
Bernard Hopkins was pretty much superfit for his whole career (probably still is now). As you rightly put it, an outlier.

Golovkin, I can't help thinking, is on the slide. I guess when you're that age and at that weight you're obviously going to be cutting weight to hit that MW division.

He was good last night but he was getting tagged a hell of a lot more than usual. I'm not sure if this was him being bad or Derry (I'm not spelling his name out) being good. The KD was a major factor, the cut was obviously bothering Derry too...but there was something there about Gennady that made me think he's not going to retain his prime.

I wish him well, he still has three fights left with DAZN. I'm not sure Saul Alvarez will touch him again. He'll get past Kovalev despite the jump in weight, but I don't reckon the third GGG will get made.

Excellent post above Grant.
 
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Bernard Hopkins was pretty much superfit for his whole career (probably still is now). As you rightly put it, an outlier.

Golovkin, I can't help thinking, is on the slide. I guess when you're that age and at that weight you're obviously going to be cutting weight to hit that MW division.

He was good last night but he was getting tagged a hell of a lot more than usual. I'm not sure if this was him being bad or Derry (I'm not spelling his name out) being good. The KD was a major factor, the cut was obviously bothering Derry too...but there was something there about Gennady that made me think he's not going to retain his prime.

I wish him well, he still has three fights left with DAZN. I'm not sure Saul Alvarez will touch him again. He'll get past Kovalev despite the jump in weight, but I don't reckon the third GGG will get made.

Excellent post above Grant.
Yeah mate, definitely slipped.

In terms of GGG-Canelo III, given Canelo - Kovalev is so soon (4 weeks away - which is ridiculously soon when you consider the hiding Yarde gave Kovalev in one of the rounds, 9th was it?), their timelines work for a third meeting around Cinco De Mayo.

If Canelo comes through Kovalev, which I expect him to do, I think he'll have liked what he seen last night and may go for the third fight.

If not Canelo (or a victorious Kovalev - who'd likely be tied up in rematch clauses anyway) it has to be 'Derry' again, for GGG.
 
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Yeah mate, definitely slipped.

In terms of GGG-Canelo III, given Canelo - Kovalev is so soon (4 weeks away - which is ridiculously soon when you consider the hiding Yarde gave Kovalev in one of the rounds, 9th was it?), their timelines work for a third meeting around Cinco De Mayo.

If Canelo comes through Kovalev, which I expect him to do, I think he'll have liked what he seen last night and may go for the third fight.

If not Canelo (or a victorious Kovalev - who'd likely be tied up in rematch clauses anyway) it has to be 'Derry' again, for GGG.
Kovalev has gone to be fair, the only thing that will affect Alvarez will be the weight, and he'll stack that on irrespective. Kovalev needs to throw some bombs at Saul because that's the only way he can get him out of there. He can't box him because Alvarez is far much a better boxer.

As for Golovkin - I would imagine Derry will be begging for a rematch considering he would have thought he got the W in NYC. I had it wider than the judges for GGG, but I'm not a NYSAC judge so I could be wrong. Reading the press this morning there were a hell of a lot of people having Derry winning that fight.

I'm in England and was sleep deprived (it was a 4am kick off and I didn't sleep all night) and had a few beers so my scorecard could have been wrong. There were quite a few rounds that could have gone either way last night.
 
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