Is Lomachenko overrated?

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Great fighter, but decent wins over decent opposition was over celebrated by the media. He became vastly overrated as a result to the point where people thought he would dominate Pacquiao. To the point where people suggested he had the best footwork of any pro ever.

Great fighter, but obviously overrated. People actually blocked me for pointing this out.
 
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No, he just lost a fight, as did Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali and most other fighters considered ATGs. If you take on all-comers and ascend through the weight classes eventually you'll come unstuck and that's all it is. If he drops back down to 130 he'll rise to the top once again.
 

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The difference being, apart from Duran, those guys didn't lose fights while meant to be at the top of their game, because they didn't try hard enough. Lomachenko has now done this twice, trying to turn it around halfheartedly in the second half. That is not going to make you a great fighter. Not in the pros.
 
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No, he just lost a fight, as did Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali and most other fighters considered ATGs. If you take on all-comers and ascend through the weight classes eventually you'll come unstuck and that's all it is. If he drops back down to 130 he'll rise to the top once again.
Loma was a comfortable favourite going into his fight with Teo, a 23 year old in his 4th year as a pro.

The aforementioned fighters all fought a VASTLY higher level of opposition than Loma, whose best win remains Gary Russell Jr.
 
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Loma was a comfortable favourite going into his fight with Teo, a 23 year old in his 4th year as a pro.

The aforementioned fighters all fought a VASTLY higher level of opposition than Loma, whose best win remains Gary Russell Jr.
But what's the point? That in hindsight Loma was overrated because he lost to Lopez?

Mike Tyson was a comfortable or should I say MASSIVE favourite going into his fight with James Douglas and he got smashed to bits but even today decades later people still rave about how great Tyson was, they make every excuse under the sun for why he lost that night but Loma loses on points and all of a sudden people who were rating him before the fight are now jumping ship and calling him a hype job, I can't take the fickleness of some boxing fans if I'm honest. In my opinion the answer to the OPs question is absolutely not.
 

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But what's the point? That in hindsight Loma was overrated because he lost to Lopez?

Mike Tyson was a comfortable or should I say MASSIVE favourite going into his fight with James Douglas and he got smashed to bits but even today decades later people still rave about how great Tyson was, they make every excuse under the sun for why he lost that night but Loma loses on points and all of a sudden people who were rating him before the fight are now jumping ship and calling him a hype job, I can't take the fickleness of some boxing fans if I'm honest. In my opinion the answer to the OPs question is absolutely not.
I want to be very clear here. Lomachenko is a great fighter and one of the best in the world, and losing against Teo does not change that. He is operating above his most optimal weight class and some may argue he is no longer in the prime of his career. I think Lomachenko probably beats everyone at 130lbs. So he is still a phenomenal fighter and a P4P rated talent.

But people considered Lomachenko to be so great that they thought he would have to move up another division before he would come close to losing. He was heavily favoured against Manny Pacquiao by a lot of posters here. He was being talked about as being an all time great and one of the best professional fighters of all time despite only having defeated Linares, Russell, Walters and a few British fighters. The best footwork of all time, he would beat the 3 great Mexicans in Barrera, Morales and Marquez at 126 and 130 etc.

I think we can say a lot of that was hyperbole now that he lost cleanly to a fighter of Teo's ability and experience. I think it's reasonable to suggest comparing him to bonafide ATGs like Barrera, Morales and Marquez was premature based on the fact that Lomachenko may retire with his best win being Gary Russell Jr.

I have maintained this stance from the very beginning. Not that Lomachenko is a hypejob and no good, but that he was being set impossible standards and that he would ultimately disappoint people.
 

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Every fighter has fans that think their guy is an atg. Those fighters in that context are always overrated. Plenty of haters to go along with it underrating him as well.
End of the day Loma made 4 guys quit in a row, and took on the best he could (with the exception of ancient pac). I think he's a great fighter, and still a p4p top 5. I'm still a fan, though some of his nuthuggers are trying their best to change that.
 
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I don't think the guy is overrated, but he did get exposed in that last fight with Lopez who had the blueprint on how to negate Loma's offense enough to win rounds.

I thought he'd school Lopez and stop him late, but after the first half of the fight I knew that was not going to happen and Loma would have to dig deep to even get a draw-------and that obviously didn't happen either.

No doubt in my mind he'd wreck the 130 and under opponents, but 135 seems to be a step too far since many of those guys can walk around carrying 150+ and still look fit.
 
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I want to be very clear here. Lomachenko is a great fighter and one of the best in the world, and losing against Teo does not change that. He is operating above his most optimal weight class and some may argue he is no longer in the prime of his career. I think Lomachenko probably beats everyone at 130lbs. So he is still a phenomenal fighter and a P4P rated talent.

But people considered Lomachenko to be so great that they thought he would have to move up another division before he would come close to losing. He was heavily favoured against Manny Pacquiao by a lot of posters here. He was being talked about as being an all time great and one of the best professional fighters of all time despite only having defeated Linares, Russell, Walters and a few British fighters. The best footwork of all time, he would beat the 3 great Mexicans in Barrera, Morales and Marquez at 126 and 130 etc.

I think we can say a lot of that was hyperbole now that he lost cleanly to a fighter of Teo's ability and experience. I think it's reasonable to suggest comparing him to bonafide ATGs like Barrera, Morales and Marquez was premature based on the fact that Lomachenko may retire with his best win being Gary Russell Jr.

I have maintained this stance from the very beginning. Not that Lomachenko is a hypejob and no good, but that he was being set impossible standards and that he would ultimately disappoint people.
I agree with your opening paragraph word for word and that's what I've assumed the question from the OP is based on when he asked "Is Loma overrated?" because win or lose against Teo everything you said there still applies (as you said) so neither of us are calling that overrated.

I never saw anyone calling him an ATG but I haven't been here so long as a member but I referenced some real ATG's in my earlier post to point out that everyone takes lossesbut still can go on to achieve ATG status. Declaring someone with a record of 14-1 an ATG is premature in my view but they could become that at some point I mean, unless it was 14 beasts they had on their record that's a bit soon. However, having said that, whilst Loma isn't an ATG now, if he won the fight last weekend and became undisputed in a weight class we agree is above his optimal, we would have to consider him, right? Because I think that the achievements as well as the opposition counts. We don't have a 4 kings' era today at Loma's weightclass(es) but that's not his fault so I can't punish him for that
 
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I don't think he's overrated, but how he went into that fight was disgusting. He was landing when he was throwing, the issue is...he wasn't throwing. He didn't even show up to fight, and that to me is worse than getting outgunned
 

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Has he always been overrated?
By those people who thought he was one of the best fighters ever, or even "clearly" the best P4P fighter today, yes.

The guy has 2 losses in less than 20 fights, his best wins are the likes of Gary Russell and Jorge Linares... and yet there were people who thought his name belonged in the same breath as SRR and Ali. :lol:
 
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I agree that no one called Loma an ATG. He's nowhere near that as a pro.

But P4p is a different story. I think that up to a week ago, he certainly was in the top-three. Possibly slightly overrated as a pro because of his incredible amateur record, but still a very impressive run.

I'd love to see Loma go back down to 130, and challenge both Tank and Berchelt. (If Davis can/would go back down to 130) - The two best punchers in a division he actually belongs in. If he can beat both of THOSE guys, then maybe he's P4P again. Or at least once again in the top three.

Otherwise history will remember him as a briliiant amateur who had an impressive but carefully crafted run in the pros, but no more.
 
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I agree with your opening paragraph word for word and that's what I've assumed the question from the OP is based on when he asked "Is Loma overrated?" because win or lose against Teo everything you said there still applies (as you said) so neither of us are calling that overrated.

I never saw anyone calling him an ATG but I haven't been here so long as a member but I referenced some real ATG's in my earlier post to point out that everyone takes lossesbut still can go on to achieve ATG status. Declaring someone with a record of 14-1 an ATG is premature in my view but they could become that at some point I mean, unless it was 14 beasts they had on their record that's a bit soon. However, having said that, whilst Loma isn't an ATG now, if he won the fight last weekend and became undisputed in a weight class we agree is above his optimal, we would have to consider him, right? Because I think that the achievements as well as the opposition counts. We don't have a 4 kings' era today at Loma's weightclass(es) but that's not his fault so I can't punish him for that
In that case, I certainly wouldn't accuse you of overrating Lomachenko. I do maintain the hype was a little hyperbolic and he seemed to win every fantasy match up being mentioned in here, but it's not something I think is worth arguing about.

I'm sure he will have more success if he moves back down to 130. Who knows where he will end up, but as of right now he is a great fighter. Not an all time great one, we can agree on that.
 
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No he is a great fighter. An elite p4p fighter with great skills.

Weight divisions exist for a reason.

Loma got beat by the bigger man who utilised all the skills he had whilst loma couldn't deal with the size, reach and frame of the beast that is Lopez.

Loma isn't overrated. Lopez is just that damn good.
 
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Not overrated, just a bit older and met a giant guy with stregth, sppd and power. Loma got too long to get started, Teofimo is a rare 23 year old
 
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I want to be very clear here. Lomachenko is a great fighter and one of the best in the world, and losing against Teo does not change that. He is operating above his most optimal weight class and some may argue he is no longer in the prime of his career. I think Lomachenko probably beats everyone at 130lbs. So he is still a phenomenal fighter and a P4P rated talent.

But people considered Lomachenko to be so great that they thought he would have to move up another division before he would come close to losing. He was heavily favoured against Manny Pacquiao by a lot of posters here. He was being talked about as being an all time great and one of the best professional fighters of all time despite only having defeated Linares, Russell, Walters and a few British fighters. The best footwork of all time, he would beat the 3 great Mexicans in Barrera, Morales and Marquez at 126 and 130 etc.

I think we can say a lot of that was hyperbole now that he lost cleanly to a fighter of Teo's ability and experience. I think it's reasonable to suggest comparing him to bonafide ATGs like Barrera, Morales and Marquez was premature based on the fact that Lomachenko may retire with his best win being Gary Russell Jr.

I have maintained this stance from the very beginning. Not that Lomachenko is a hypejob and no good, but that he was being set impossible standards and that he would ultimately disappoint people.
Good post, I think for those who were influenced by Lomachenko's most dedicated fans I think they would have to say he was overrated. They created such an unrealistic expectation of the man that he became more myth than man, something more than human, like a superhero or something. The reality is he was an incredible amateur, transitioned to the pro game relatively late and has achieved a lot in a short amount of time. I think if he moves down again he can probably rule the roost for a few more years. If he around 15 years ago, he would clearly win a few but would also pick up a few losses along the way.
 
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I’d say yes. Only because people were putting him on the level of the likes of Duran, SRR, Mayweather, Pacquiao etc. Still doesn’t take away from the fact that he’s still a very good fighter though.