Is Nunn overrated?

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He's seen by many as this incredible talent that burned out to fast by not being serious. One of these fighters with a split-second prime. But apart from the dismantling of Tate and the KO of Kalambay (which has something of a freak occurrence about it), I don't think he looked all that. He didn't look very impressive against Roldan, Barkley (which I had a draw last time I scored it) or Curry. Haven't seen the Starling fight, but it seems to have been close despite Nunn's advantage in size and youth.

You can see the talent and skill at times in those fight, but the fight against Tate is the only one where he puts in a shift every round. In the others he coasts and takes a fair amount of punches. And when he came down from his toes, he was vulnerable as Toney showed.

So was Tate the only big fight where he was in top shape or was he just there to be exposed sooner or later?
 
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He seems to be one of those fighters that there often isn't a lot of middle ground with.He's either a flawed genius, or he's a limp hitting mediocrity.

Personally i thought he was impressive against Roldan-who he manhandled and mostly toyed with imo- and a very good fighter on his way up though definitely showing signs of the way he would go after the kalambay fight.After kalambay, i feel he offered little of worth other than a few rounds here and there.

He had a poor attitude and little dedication, which had been somewhat suppressed by the Goosens, but when he got rid of them it really came to the fore.I'd say he was in shape for all of his fights until Barkley, after that he was a fight in spurts fighter that clearly had dodgy stamina.
 
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But I have to say that his strength and punch resistance were top notch. Both Roldan and Barkley landed some big shots on him which hardly seemed to bother him at all. Neither them could really impose themselves on him physically either. The other way around if anything.

He coasted too much in both those (and other) fights for it to look promising against more consistent performers, though. Would have been interesting to see him against the pressure and work rate of Watson for example. Or even an old Hagler
 
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I think Watson could definitely beat him at 168, but was probably too tight at the weight at 160 to fight the kind of Eubank II fight he would need to win that way.It's possible he could still make it very tough for Nunn through countering and being patient though, especially the post-sumbu one that liked to make such a target of himself at times.
 

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Absolutely not. He is not overrated. The guy was really really talented at his best. I find it HILARIOUS that you scored the Barkley fight a draw. That's nuts to me. Barkley definitely lost that one. The guy was flawed but still very talented. definitely not overrated. He was beating Toney until Toney's natural counterpunching came into play in a devastating fashion.
 

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I think Watson could definitely beat him at 168
I'm trying to remember Nunn's best post-Toney/160 performance.

Liles maybe? Nunn was on the decline but I thought he deserved to win that fight.


On a side note, Goossen's outrageous waistcoat is what costed Sosa the Nunn fight.

He was lucky not to get disqualified.
 
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Absolutely not. He is not overrated. The guy was really really talented at his best. I find it HILARIOUS that you scored the Barkley fight a draw. That's nuts to me. Barkley definitely lost that one. The guy was flawed but still very talented. definitely not overrated. He was beating Toney until Toney's natural counterpunching came into play in a devastating fashion.
I was a bit surprised too, since I scored it comfortably for Nunn the first time. And I'm also not one to score heavily on aggression (only when it really yields something). But I just thought there were so many rds that Nunn gave away letting Barkly bang away at his sides and score the occasional punch to the head without answering much. When he opened up he had the better of it just about every time, though.

And I was not at all impressed with him against Roldan. Sure, he made him gas badly, but he also took a fair amount of punishment.
 
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I'm trying to remember Nunn's best post-Toney/160 performance.

Liles maybe? Nunn was on the decline but I thought he deserved to win that fight.


On a side note, Goossen's outrageous waistcoat is what costed Sosa the Nunn fight.

He was lucky not to get disqualified.

Maybe the Crawford Ashley defence? I'd need to watch it again mind you.Been ages since i watched any of Nunn's post-160 fights, not really the kind of stuff you get drawn back into tbh.I remember him destroying Ashley with bodyshots and looking pretty sharp.ashley was nothing special, but he was strong and a big puncher up to 175.Not the kind of fighter you would expect a smaller man that often didn't seem to hit that hard to be aggressive offensively against.
 

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Been ages since i watched any of Nunn's post-160 fights, not really the kind of stuff you get drawn back into tbh.
Yup, can't force myself to rewatch these slopfests either.

Almost regardless of their limitations due to decline, some past-prime fighters are interesting to watch - Jofre, Kalambay, Hagler (beat Leonard despite being utterly shot).

And some are like Nunn - all they have to offer is wasted talent, half-assed performances and controversial decisions that are not even worthy of discussion.
 
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Yup, can't force myself to rewatch these slopfests either.

Almost regardless of their limitations due to decline, some past-prime fighters are interesting to watch - Jofre, Kalambay, Hagler (beat Leonard despite being utterly shot).

And some are like Nunn - all they have to offer is wasted talent, half-assed performances and controversial decisions that are not even worthy of discussion.
I think Ray Robinson is the king of post prime perfomances. Most of his filmed work is past peak.

Oh and Duran deserves a mention.
 
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absolutely not. He is not overrated. The guy was really really talented at his best. I find it hilarious that you scored the barkley fight a draw. That's nuts to me. Barkley definitely lost that one. The guy was flawed but still very talented. Definitely not overrated. He was beating toney until toney's natural counterpunching came into play in a devastating fashion.
i agree in every fucking point except that he was beating toney , I THINK that james had his number, but yes, i fucking igree with your fucking post, old friend from youtube. NO FUCKING WAY SECOND 2 WAS OVERRATED, HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST MW EVER, OUT OF THE BUNCH OF THE VERY BEST LIKE MONZON, HAGLER, HOPKINS,JONES, ROBINSON, LAMOTTA,HARRY ETC ETC
 
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i agree in every fucking point except that he was beating toney , I THINK that james had his number, but yes, i fucking igree with your fucking post, old friend from youtube. NO FUCKING WAY SECOND 2 WAS OVERRATED, HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST MW EVER, OUT OF THE BUNCH OF THE VERY BEST LIKE MONZON, HAGLER, HOPKINS,JONES, ROBINSON, LAMOTTA,HARRY ETC ETC
Potential wise he was one of the very best, yeah. I do think Nunn was getting the better of Toney and looking really good, Toney started to find his timing and eventually got to him. It's a testament to Nunn's chin that he lasted as long as he did.
 
Absolutely not. He is not overrated. The guy was really really talented at his best. I find it HILARIOUS that you scored the Barkley fight a draw. That's nuts to me. Barkley definitely lost that one. The guy was flawed but still very talented. definitely not overrated. He was beating Toney until Toney's natural counterpunching came into play in a devastating fashion.
I remember that fight watching it live. I have not seen it in years. I do remember Angelo Dundee was in Nunn's corner, with his ex trainer Goosen working for TVKO as commentator for the fight. Toney looked small I remember right off, which is odd that he knocked him out. Toney just kept coming and coming, and at one point when Nunn leaned back on the ropes like he did with Barkley, Toney leaned over Nunn and hit him with the right hand, nullifying that Nunn defensive move-some people thought at times Nunn's people had the ropes loosened for some fights specifically Barkley,so he could do that leaning back defensive move. Once that leaned back move was nullified, Nunn was also tired and in round 11 and standing more straight up, even though he was winning the round if I remember correctly, he was bound to be hit with that left hook just by not moving enough and being in ring center and in Toney's range. I don't think his skills were overrated. I compare him a little to Donald Curry. Mentally he was not the strongest fighter, so if he could not concentrate as his career went on then he lapsed in defense and stamina, which go hand in hand.
 
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The loss to Toney had more to do Nunn's flaws and Toney's qualities than anything else imo. Unlike Roldan and Barkley, Toney managed to turn on the pressure in the second half of the fight when Nunn naturally came down from his toes more. And when he did that he was vulnerable with his hands held low for a sharp shooter like Toney.
 
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They should have had a rematch really, but the fact there wasn't one and Nunn turned up to his next fight(a world title fight at 168)totally out of shape and got a gift decision should tell you how low his dedication and stock had fallen at the time.he was an 8 round coked out fighter by 1989.

Not saying he couldn't have been stopped late by Toney before then though and that flaws that were always there didnt play a part because they did, but imo there clearly was an overall decline in evidence by then.How many fighters that get that kind of hype and support are cast aside so easily after a loss? People had enough of the fraud.Him stopping kalambay was one of the worst outcomes in middleweight title fight history imo, and the fat bastard Toney ended up throwing things away as well.

Mind you, both look like fistic gods even in their lesser performances compared to some of the mediocrities that have held middleweight titles since.
 
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btw surely no one disagrees that peak Kalule would have bested the Nunn that fought Barkley, Curry, Starling and Toney? It would deeply sicken me to know there were those out there that view this differently.
 
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You believe Kalule deserved the decision over Kalambay? I thought that Kalambay deserved the win.