Jeff Horn vs Tim Tszyu (son of Kostya)

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hazza

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See, this is what I don't get.

Before the fight, the horn camp were saying Jeff's in the best shape ever, tszyu is in for all sorts etc.

Now its oh well Jeff did the best he could, always has that punchers chance.

I saw tszyu completely outclass horn. Was not even close. So either they are making excuses for horn or they are trying to take away from tszyu's win.

Now zerafa is calling for a shot at tszyu. If it's still overseas lockdown, ok take it. If not, go to the USA and fight the best on a quest for the crown
 

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See, this is what I don't get.

Before the fight, the horn camp were saying Jeff's in the best shape ever, tszyu is in for all sorts etc.

Now its oh well Jeff did the best he could, always has that punchers chance.

I saw tszyu completely outclass horn. Was not even close. So either they are making excuses for horn or they are trying to take away from tszyu's win.

Now zerafa is calling for a shot at tszyu. If it's still overseas lockdown, ok take it. If not, go to the USA and fight the best on a quest for the crown
It is Boxing 101 for the losing fighter though, isn't it?

In the lead-up to 99% of fights both combatants claim to be in the best shape of their lives and then, after one loses, out roll the excuses.

I was always taught that inside the ring there is only truth. Unfortunately, outside of the ring there is rarely truth.
 
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hazza

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It is Boxing 101 for the losing fighter though, isn't it?

In the lead-up to 99% of fights both combatants claim to be in the best shape of their lives and then, after one loses, out roll the excuses.

I was always taught that inside the ring there is only truth. Unfortunately, outside of the ring there is rarely truth.
Well tszyu did exactly what I thought he'd do, outbox horn and stop him inside 9.

He's got great skills, he just looks the goods, most impressive for me is his body work.

But I don't count horn as a massive win, because I don't think horn was ever that good. Before Pacquiao it was Jeff who.

Anyway Tim did the job, showcased what he can do and now it's onto the real fight, get to the states and go for the title.

There's nothing left in Australia for him, he will go for it.
 

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Well tszyu did exactly what I thought he'd do, outbox horn and stop him inside 9.

He's got great skills, he just looks the goods, most impressive for me is his body work.

But I don't count horn as a massive win, because I don't think horn was ever that good. Before Pacquiao it was Jeff who.

Anyway Tim did the job, showcased what he can do and now it's onto the real fight, get to the states and go for the title.

There's nothing left in Australia for him, he will go for it.
Yeah, I only have credit for Tim and his performance. But equally, Horn should retire. It will be a very poor decision if he fights on.

Tszyu is still improving and I don't think one more fight in Oz will be a bad thing for him. Particularly with the COVID situation.
 
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See, this is what I don't get.

Before the fight, the horn camp were saying Jeff's in the best shape ever, tszyu is in for all sorts etc.

Now its oh well Jeff did the best he could, always has that punchers chance.

I saw tszyu completely outclass horn. Was not even close. So either they are making excuses for horn or they are trying to take away from tszyu's win.

Now zerafa is calling for a shot at tszyu. If it's still overseas lockdown, ok take it. If not, go to the USA and fight the best on a quest for the crown
Nail on the head with the bolded part.

though From what I’ve seen Jeff himself has been reasonably gracious in defeat.

Starting to feel as though Glen Rushton is making excuses for Glen Rushton
 
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Im actually not super against Tszyu VS Zerafa.

With covid things going on it’s probably the best Aussie fight for Tim.
Overall I think Zerafas days in the world stage are behind him as well but credit where it’s due he KO’d Jeff the first time and I think he was on his way to doing it again until he got careless and walked into that game changer right hand. Had he not got caught with that I’d Horn Vs Tszyu wouldn’t have been what it was in the first place.

I think Tim should look outside Aus but inside Zerafa is ok in my books.
Failing that fuck it... feed Daniel Lewis to him and let him get his revenge for the amateur loss
 

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Im actually not super against Tszyu VS Zerafa.

With covid things going on it’s probably the best Aussie fight for Tim.
Overall I think Zerafas days in the world stage are behind him as well but credit where it’s due he KO’d Jeff the first time and I think he was on his way to doing it again until he got careless and walked into that game changer right hand. Had he not got caught with that I’d Horn Vs Tszyu wouldn’t have been what it was in the first place.

I think Tim should look outside Aus but inside Zerafa is ok in my books.
Failing that fuck it... feed Daniel Lewis to him and let him get his revenge for the amateur loss
The ease with which Tszyu disposed of Horn probably takes a bit of gloss off Zerafa's performances against Horn. Zerafa would have to come back down in weight too for Tszyu because there's no incentive at this stage for Tszyu to come up.
 
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hazza

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The ease with which Tszyu disposed of Horn probably takes a bit of gloss off Zerafa's performances against Horn. Zerafa would have to come back down in weight too for Tszyu because there's no incentive at this stage for Tszyu to come up.
Agreed.

Horn was supposed to be this monster challenge for tszyu yet he did it easy.

I think tszyu is underrated because of his surname, not overrated as some in the media might suggest.

Also, as you have pointed out, the common opponent in horn is a factor here. Zerafa was nowhere near as impressive as tszyu against him.

Horn knew he was going to be knocked out, no question in my mind.

That's why he quit.
 

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Interesting interview with Glenn Rushton.


"I wasn’t confident because I know he hadn’t done what we normally do."
 
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Fenech and Rushton go head to head there and the result is a really interesting discussion. I thought Fenech would just bully him. But Rushton stood his ground quite impressively. The only area he seemed to fall short in was his own accountability. He directed the blame for Horn's failures on the rest of the team and Horn himself.
 

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Listening to that interview @Super_Fly_Sam I can't see Horn and Rushton continuing together. If we take Rushton at his word, Jeff no longer has the desire to put the work in and was cutting corners in training. Didn't even want to spar prior to the Tszyu fight.

Rushton speaks so lowly of cutman Stephen Edwards, Adam Copland, who was also in Horn's corner and new strength and conditioning coach Chris Muckert, they would be fools if they continue working with him.
 
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Team Horn clearly in tatters now.

Adam Copland has hit back at Glenn Rushton, describing Rushton’s comments as “comments made by a man digging his own grave as a boxing trainer and trying to drag everyone down with him”.

“For Glenn to say this about me, with not one phone call to me after the fight asking why I stopped it, just shows what type of person he is."

“To say I was concussed and confused is nothing but defamatory and false. Of course I knew what was going on and so did the rest of Australia."

“And yes, I called him and told him all my problems about his comments before I decided to write this, as that in my eyes, is the right thing to do. And of course there was no acceptance of any wrong doing as usual."

“I love Jeff Horn and his whole family. I hope the public does not associate Jeff Horn with Glenn Rushton’s garbage. As no one deserves that.”

 
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Listening to that interview @Super_Fly_Sam I can't see Horn and Rushton continuing together. If we take Rushton at his word, Jeff no longer has the desire to put the work in and was cutting corners in training. Didn't even want to spar prior to the Tszyu fight.

Rushton speaks so lowly of cutman Stephen Edwards and new strength and conditioning coach Chris Muckert they would be fools if they continue working with him.
Just finished listening. I think it is very plausible that Jeff didn't put the work in during camp and that Rushton is correct about that. Jeff is a smart dude has had a career most could only ever with for and made millions. He's stated heaps of times he doesn't want a long career and is under family pressure to hang them up.

Maybe it just caught up to him against Tszyu. I wouldn't be surprised if he just took the fight, not because he wanted it but because it was there and kind of expected of him.

I don't begrudge Rushton for not having him in shape if Jeff wasn't doing as told.

My dramas with Rushton are him not stopping the fights and the stupid "Do you have 1 more punch in you?" type questions. The whole podcast is a lot of "But what about Pacquaio? "What about when Randal Baily knocked out Mike Jones" "What about Povetkin and Whyte" "Jeff didn't do this.." "He wasn't hurt by Crawford"...... just all this whataboutism and deflect excuse excuse.....In my opinion, It's very hard to disagree with Fenech when he calls bullshit on all of that.

He'd serve himself better and probably better Jeff's image if he just came out and said they weren't prepared as well as thought and Tim was to good. Nothing wrong with admitting you got it wrong.

Either way. Credit where it's due. He fronted up to Fenech and stood his ground. Both disagree but kept it respectful. I like that.
 
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Just finished listening. I think it is very plausible that Jeff didn't put the work in during camp and that Rushton is correct about that. Jeff is a smart dude has had a career most could only ever with for and made millions. He's stated heaps of times he doesn't want a long career and is under family pressure to hang them up.

Maybe it just caught up to him against Tszyu. I wouldn't be surprised if he just took the fight, not because he wanted it but because it was there and kind of expected of him.

I don't begrudge Rushton for not having him in shape if Jeff wasn't doing as told.

My dramas with Rushton are him not stopping the fights and the stupid "Do you have 1 more punch in you?" type questions. The whole podcast is a lot of "But what about Pacquaio? "What about when Randal Baily knocked out Mike Jones" "What about Povetkin and Whyte" "Jeff didn't do this.." "He wasn't hurt by Crawford"...... just all this whataboutism and deflect excuse excuse.....In my opinion, It's very hard to disagree with Fenech when he calls bullshit on all of that.

He'd serve himself better and probably better Jeff's image if he just came out and said they weren't prepared as well as thought and Tim was to good. Nothing wrong with admitting you got it wrong.

Either way. Credit where it's due. He fronted up to Fenech and stood his ground. Both disagree but kept it respectful. I like that.
Horn is a fool if he fights on - Rushton or no Rushton. Let's hope he doesn't.
 
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Horn is a fool if he fights on - Rushton or no Rushton. Let's hope he doesn't.
Agree.
Though if he wants to get a journey man who has some kind of name to knock over and go out on a win. I'm ok with that. I don't want to see him in any big fights though.

Maybe he should give Mundine the rematch Mundine has been screaming for.
 

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Tszyu says Horn was no good from the beginning

Tim Tszyu says he knew “from the first minute” that Jeff Horn was in trouble against him as he saw “his eyes go into the back of his head”.


“As soon as I landed that first shot, I saw his eyes into the back of his head."

“I knew from the first minute, as soon as I landed the first shot. Once we got into a clinch I gave him a nice little right uppercut to the body and I heard him go ‘urgh, urgh’ and I knew it was over since then.”
 

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Horn rightfully being pressured to retire

“My wife Jo has been happy for a while for me to hang up the gloves,” Horn told the Courier Mail.

“She wants me to stop fighting. She hates the stress of me fighting and what I have to go through to get ready for a campaign.

“She doesn’t like watching what happened to me in the last fight, and she doesn’t want it to happen again. Look, I understand why people want me to retire and I’m hearing it from my wife and my close family members … They are saying, ‘You have done enough and you have done yourself proud, so just let it go.’”

 
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