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Bent as a butcher’s hook but this gay boy would beat me to death in about three seconds. Good guy who gives zero fucks and a decent episode too.
 

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Primarily his Sunday Special. He brings on a lot of different people from a variety of industries and different political views. Can be very enlightening. That's where I first got to hear Andrew Yang articulate his opinions for longer than a couple of minutes. Highly recommended.
Oh ok, what do you find enlightening specifically?
 

Jack

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Leading right wing thinkers being dismissed as unintelligent is far off the mark. These are people who are well respected within their circles, have got high level qualifications, who make in depth arguments and back their claims up, so to just dismiss all of that because of fundamental disagreements in politics is essentially to go back to the old moral argument of "I'm better/clever than you". The left wing have a huge issue with this, they don't see disagreements as being generally healthy and being respectful of opposing views, there's a perpetual tone of superiority, both moral and intellectual. You can't just pull up a list of leading right wing thinkers and say "they're all unintelligent", of course they're not, just like it'd be idiotic for someone on the right to list TYT, Kulinski, Pakman, Seder and others and say that they're unintelligent too. If you watch these people in debates, what they do is impressive, whether they're on the right or left because they're clever. Why can't a debate be respectful and left as people being wrong without it turning into petty name calling?

This sort of mentality is in itself unintelligent because it is so overly simplistic, to the point where it boils down to "you disagree with me, therefore I'm going to call you names". It's just childlike. Anyone who genuinely thinks that a man like Shapiro is unintelligent or not worth listening to is too far gone; disagree all you want, people may think he's wrong on all subjects, but to be dismissive or diminish his intelligence only shows a lack of character in the critic.
 

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Shapiro is pro banning abortion see this article
What's wrong with that? He's a religious man, of course he's going to be against abortion because he believes a life has already been created at that point. It's a point that many, including myself, disagree with but so what? He still has the right to his opinion and share his side, it's not a case that being against abortion ruins your legitimacy.
 

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You seem to be suggesting the only possible reason that Ben hasn't created a video entitled 'Rebuttal to David Pakman' is because he is scared. I'm saying you are free to think that but the more likely explanation is that other things are taking priority; like being a father, a husband, a podcaster, a writer, and a speaker. But again, you're free to think he is afraid of someone like Pakman, even if Shapiro has literally spent his entire adult life talking with people he fundamentally disagrees with.
You're right on this but as another potential suggestion, how about he just doesn't care enough about these people trying to make a reputation off his name and doesn't feel necessary to respond? I know that David Pakman is being held up as some giant figure by those on the left but he has under 800k subscribers on YouTube, 100k followers on Twitter and 25k on Instagram. On Twitter alone, Shapiro has nearly 2.5m followers, so they're in different leagues entirely. It'd be like Floyd Mayweather feeling the need to respond to every European level challenger who calls him out.

As an aside, Ben Shapiro has long asked for Alexandria Ocasio Cortez to appear on his show, he's called for it many times and yet she refuses. Are those critics of Shapiro going to also criticise AOC for her refusal to debate with him, in the way they accuse Shapiro of being scared of David Pakman?
 
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Jack

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Oh ok, what do you find enlightening specifically?
Hearing people like Andrew Yang for the first time, maybe?

Apologies to Pedders for jumping on this answer but he wrote why it was enlightening in his post, for fucks sake.
 

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Hearing people like Andrew Yang for the first time, maybe?

Apologies to Pedders for jumping on this answer but he wrote why it was enlightening in his post, for fucks sake.
Hearing from Yang for the first time? You been living under a rock?

I'm referring specifically to his economic and cultural beliefs btw.
 

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What's wrong with that? He's a religious man, of course he's going to be against abortion because he believes a life has already been created at that point. It's a point that many, including myself, disagree with but so what? He still has the right to his opinion and share his side, it's not a case that being against abortion ruins your legitimacy.
What's wrong with believing your interpretation of sky genie law should shape US policy regarding women's bodies? We have states right now taking away the reproductive Rights of women. How is that not a concern?

Shall we start selling daughters or not touch menstruating women for 7 days because his sky genie believes so? Or whatever nonsense is in the Torah that the vast majority of Jews don't subscribe to. Oh yeah those Jews arent "real" Jews


BEN SHAPIRO’S ‘HATEFUL’ ATTACK ON HIS FELLOW JEWS

Ben Shapiro, the right-wing political commentator with millions of subscribers across multiple platforms, was recently interviewed by the BBC’s Andrew Neil. The broadcast, during which Shapiro accused Neil of being “left wing” and “biased” before abruptly ending the interview, quickly went viral, with many presenting it as proof of Shapiro’s weak reasoning. But while his fans and haters focus on the video’s portrayal of him, another issue is overshadowed: Shapiro’s hateful statements against his fellow Jews.

Ben Shapiro presents himself – in this interview, as at all times – as an Orthodox, religious Jew. His legion of followers all know (and are happy to inform you if you don’t) that he proudly wears a kippah. At around the 11-minute mark of the interview, Neil challenges Shapiro’s position that Jews who voted for former U.S. president Barack Obama are “Jews in name only,” or “JINOs.” Instead of apologizing for a statement that attacked the three-quarters of American Jews who voted for Obama, Shapiro doubled down and said that he was responding “as an Orthodox Jew who actually takes Judaism seriously.”

A minute later, Neil noted that Shapiro wrote that JINOs “should turn their badge in as a Jew.” Shapiro responded by saying: “I believe that if you are somebody who takes Judaism seriously, that comes along with ideological commitment.” (It’s all downhill from there. The interview soon ends.)

I was educated at Orthodox day schools and yeshivot for 12 years. In all that time, I cannot remember ever hearing anything so hateful. Sure, I can recall rabbis saying that Orthodoxy was the “truest” Jewish path, and maybe the most serious, but never that non-Orthodox Jews don’t take their Judaism seriously, and certainly not that other kinds of Jews’ religious outlook or political positions were antithetical to Judaism.


Somehow Shapiro, who is also yeshiva-educated, has reached the very different conclusion that Judaism can only lead to one type of ideological commitment – his. He tries to separate good Jews from bad Jews. The good Jews, who “take their Judaism seriously,” will obviously hold the same political positions as him; the bad Jews – the JINOs – are those who hold different political ideologies.

This type of thinking is is very problematic. At a time of widespread anti-Semitism targeting all Jews, Shapiro wants to tell the majority of his fellow Jews in America that they aren’t Jewish enough. He wants to police their positions and tell them that if only they were more committed to their Judaism, they would abandon their ideologies in favour of his.

READ: BEN SHAPIRO STIRS CONTROVERSY AHEAD OF VANCOUVER SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS

Shapiro’s claims are absurd. He insists that only Orthodox Jews know what it means to be Jewish, but also maintains that Jews must support Israel. Surely he knows that Zionism is not predominantly an Orthodox movement, and that Orthodox Jews are a minority in Israel, too.

Why support a Jewish state where most people don’t keep Shabbat or kosher by Orthodox standards?

Ben Shapiro might have millions of followers worldwide, but I don’t think most Jews would stoke the hatred he does against his own people. I think our future is positive and full of discussion and debate, not insult and degradation. There’s enough of that outside the Jewish community already. We don’t need Jews claiming other Jews are “Jews in name only.”

Shapiro’s embarrassing BBC interview should motivate us to acknowledge the many different Jews who proudly wear their badge of Jewishness in all sorts of ways. Whether Orthodox or Reform, whether religious or secular, whether socialist or nationalist, we are all Jews. None of us has the right to claim that theirs is the only path of Judaism, or that only they know the paths and political positions that are in line with Jewish values. Those who act otherwise damage not only themselves, but all Jews.
 
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aka 'he's not on my team, i say bad things'.

luckily for us, bach said the tianaman square massacre was a justified response to an ongoing rebellion, which is utter bullshit, so now we can ignore every point he makes, however obviously truthful or open to interpretation it may be.
 
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Bachafach^^^

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aka 'he's not on my team, i say bad things'.

luckily for us, bach said the tianaman square massacre was a justified response to an ongoing rebellion, which is utter bullshit, so now we can ignore every point he makes, however obviously truthful or open to interpretation it may be.
I never said that. I'm not a tankie. Ben Shapiro appeals to incels and the intellectually vapid who can't figure out how to capitalize at the beginning of the sentence. I'm proudly anti Ben Shapiro. Does that upset you cupcake?
 
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I never said that. I'm not a tankie. Ben Shapiro appeals to incels and the intellectually vapid who can't figure out how to capitalize at the beginning of the sentence. I'm proudly anti Ben Shapiro. Does that upset you cupcake?
-yes you did. then you said it was because you read the wrong propaganda, then we took the piss out of how tribal and weak minded you are.
-what's a tankie?
-aka the stevie bruno attack(ignoring that this isn't english class or work and i capitalise things i want to and so clearly know how to), he's also a tribal idiot with nothing real to say.
-pathetic thing to be proud of, total waste of your time and effort.
-no, did you call me cupcake for any reason other than to get an emotional reaction?

in the real world, which you are too dumb to follow, i tend to agree that he is far too conservative biased to take what he says seriously without looking into every little thing, and the subject of your post seems to bear that out. i also think you make shit arguments from a place of ignorance and hypocrisy, your post also showed that.
 
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Pedderrs

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Why are you so bothered about Kyle swearing at a political debate? You sound like a closet Shapiro fan boy looking for stuff to knock him with, and the idea that swearing and apparently losing composure is more important than the actual content of the debate says it all really doesn't it? You've commented on it twice now and neither time have you discussed ANYTHING that he actually spoke of, which literally all that matters.
You haven't discussed any substance from the debates you have referenced either.

No, not particularly a fan of Ben Shapiro, just skeptical of anyone rubbishing him as a 'faux intellectual' because they think women should have the right to choose.

'Shapiro is too big to respond' :lol:

You're starting to embarass your self a bit now.
Shapiro having other priorities is a more plausible reason than that he is scared. There are countless people responding to things he says every day. He isn't inclined to respond to them all.

You've just said your self that Ben spends time with a podcast speaking to people he doesn't agree with, only those people tend to be the likes of Andrew Yang who are never going to challenge him, he could easily host actual political commentators on the left if he was interested in getting down to the meat and bones of important issues in America.
Sunday Special isn't a debate show. He brings people on to give them an opportunity to air their views to a large audience.
You're right on this but as another potential suggestion, how about he just doesn't care enough about these people trying to make a reputation off his name and doesn't feel necessary to respond? I know that David Pakman is being held up as some giant figure by those on the left but he has under 800k subscribers on YouTube, 100k followers on Twitter and 25k on Instagram. On Twitter alone, Shapiro has nearly 2.5m followers, so they're in different leagues entirely. It'd be like Floyd Mayweather feeling the need to respond to every European level challenger who calls him out.

As an aside, Ben Shapiro has long asked for Alexandria Ocasio Cortez to appear on his show, he's called for it many times and yet she refuses. Are those critics of Shapiro going to also criticise AOC for her refusal to debate with him, in the way they accuse Shapiro of being scared of David Pakman?
I doubt anyone sincerely believes Ben Shapiro is scared of David Pakman. It's playground banter. 'My dad could beat up your dad' levels of nonsense.

I'm sure they will have another discussion in the future, and I'm sure irrespective of the content of that discussion the same names will claim one side destroyed the other. That's the team sport of politics.

You're making a lot of sense in this thread, Jack.
 

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Leading right wing thinkers being dismissed as unintelligent is far off the mark. These are people who are well respected within their circles, have got high level qualifications, who make in depth arguments and back their claims up, so to just dismiss all of that because of fundamental disagreements in politics is essentially to go back to the old moral argument of "I'm better/clever than you". The left wing have a huge issue with this, they don't see disagreements as being generally healthy and being respectful of opposing views, there's a perpetual tone of superiority, both moral and intellectual. You can't just pull up a list of leading right wing thinkers and say "they're all unintelligent", of course they're not, just like it'd be idiotic for someone on the right to list TYT, Kulinski, Pakman, Seder and others and say that they're unintelligent too. If you watch these people in debates, what they do is impressive, whether they're on the right or left because they're clever. Why can't a debate be respectful and left as people being wrong without it turning into petty name calling?

This sort of mentality is in itself unintelligent because it is so overly simplistic, to the point where it boils down to "you disagree with me, therefore I'm going to call you names". It's just childlike. Anyone who genuinely thinks that a man like Shapiro is unintelligent or not worth listening to is too far gone; disagree all you want, people may think he's wrong on all subjects, but to be dismissive or diminish his intelligence only shows a lack of character in the critic.
Why are you both so obsessed with this question of their intelligence? It's a completely meaningless debate that's being used to avoid the actual point behind all of this which is their abilities as political commentators. Whether they are otherwise intelligent or not is frankly irrelevant, you could argue Donald Trump is an intelligent man given what he has achieved, does that mean you can't point out how blatantly idiotic he is and has been? No, so stop being retarded.

Neither you or Pedders, who has now conveniently dissapeared, have been able to explain why they should be given a pass for being clearly dishonest and ill informed across various difference issues. The part of this that you don't like, mainly because you are obsessed with the left/right distinction is that those political commentators on the left are funnily enough, far better than those on the right. If you believe Ben Shapiro is an intellectual heavyweight when it comes to political discourse then you are ignorant, it's really that simple, as you are ignoring the extreme flaws in the vast majority of his arguments, whether you agree with his conclusions or not.

If you're not willing to articulate why this isn't the case, shut the fuck up :cheers
 

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You haven't discussed any substance from the debates you have referenced either.

No, not particularly a fan of Ben Shapiro, just skeptical of anyone rubbishing him as a 'faux intellectual' because they think women should have the right to choose.



Shapiro having other priorities is a more plausible reason than that he is scared. There are countless people responding to things he says every day. He isn't inclined to respond to them all.



Sunday Special isn't a debate show. He brings people on to give them an opportunity to air their views to a large audience.

I doubt anyone sincerely believes Ben Shapiro is scared of David Pakman. It's playground banter. 'My dad could beat up your dad' levels of nonsense.

I'm sure they will have another discussion in the future, and I'm sure irrespective of the content of that discussion the same names will claim one side destroyed the other. That's the team sport of politics.

You're making a lot of sense in this thread, Jack.
Someone who flexes against college kids, whilst claiming everyone on the left to be an idiot etc whilst actively avoiding any kind of debate or discourse with serious left wing political commentators is a faux intellectual, certainly when it comes to politics. It's the equivalent of a boxer calling himself this and that, rubbish opponents he will never face, whilst beating up amateurs. It'd be accurate to call that guy a phony. Shapiro wrote a book ridiculing 'the left' but won't entertain ANY serious left wing thinker in a debate, or even address their arguments, but he will take on a 19 year old left wing college student? If you genuinely can't see how this makes someone a fraud, I don't know what to say anymore, keep listening to Jack at this point.

I wasn't the one who brought up Kyle at Politicon and questioned his performance in response to how good he is of a political commentator. If you are going to question it, then question the content, not his delivery in dealing with certain people. That's what's important, isn't it?

I don't really care if Ben Shapiro is scared of David Pakman, the reality is that he would never debate him on anything serious because it would be a mismatch. The same reason Steven Crowder asks for people to debate him on the wall only to refuse the second Sam Seder agrees, the same reason he pulls out of climate change debates at the last minute. This little group are building a brand, they are not serious, they are full of shit, feel free to articulate why you actually disagree with this, rather than pathetically clinging on to this point about general intelligence.

If you want to go through Shapiro, Crowder, Ruben's views on religion, economics, climate change, foreign intervention etc we can do that, then we can compared them to that of Sam Seder and see who is more informed and who is being dishonest

I have a feeling this wont be that interesting to you however.
 
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TFG

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I'll make this easier anyway, @Pedderrs finds Shapiro interesting because he has a podcast and has hosted people like Andrew Yang, he is not interested in any other form of discussion around their political intelligence apparently :lol:

When Haggis has gotten your number so accurately, you know you are doing something wrong.
 

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Why are you both so obsessed with this question of their intelligence? It's a completely meaningless debate that's being used to avoid the actual point behind all of this which is their abilities as political commentators. Whether they are otherwise intelligent or not is frankly irrelevant, you could argue Donald Trump is an intelligent man given what he has achieved, does that mean you can't point out how blatantly idiotic he is and has been? No, so stop being retarded.

Neither you or Pedders, who has now conveniently dissapeared, have been able to explain why they should be given a pass for being clearly dishonest and ill informed across various difference issues. The part of this that you don't like, mainly because you are obsessed with the left/right distinction is that those political commentators on the left are funnily enough, far better than those on the right. If you believe Ben Shapiro is an intellectual heavyweight when it comes to political discourse then you are ignorant, it's really that simple, as you are ignoring the extreme flaws in the vast majority of his arguments, whether you agree with his conclusions or not.

If you're not willing to articulate why this isn't the case, shut the fuck up :cheers
The left-wing commentators in general seem to, well........ they seem to straight up lie a lot less, and they also seem to speak with more nuance and give their audience's intellect a bit more respect.

:hat
 

TFG

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The left-wing commentators in general seem to, well........ they seem to straight up lie a lot less, and they also seem to speak with more nuance and give their audience's intellect a bit more respect.

:hat
Yep, but apparently that's not a point you can make because...Ben Shapiro is intelligent and has had Andrew Yang on his podcast!?!?
 

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Yep, but apparently that's not a point you can make because...Ben Shapiro is intelligent and has had Andrew Yang on his podcast!?!?
Shapiro is a strange combination of smart as fuck, and dumb as hell. Clearly he is very sharp, but at the same time he's such a prisoner of his own fundamentalist ideology that he is fundamentally dishonest with himself. His beliefs don't fit with objective reality and he is easily sharp enough to recognise that, but he continues on with it anyway because that's culturally comfortable for him.

The main thing that sets him apart isn't his intellect, anyway. Plenty of kids are just as smart as Shapiro, but lack the sheer, pathological levels of ambition and drive for self-promotion and public recognition that he displayed from about age 4.

:hat
 

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I saw that article with the Human Rights Campaign (LGBT advocacy group) claiming that Sanders should denounce Joe Rogans endorsement for a bunch of made up things. Looks like the sights are setting more and more on Joe Rogan these days from "them", expect to start seeing his name pre-faced with "the controversial" and then after that, the "right wing podcaster", etc etc etc.
 
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